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  1. RC0032

    RC0032 Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2009 Illinois

    Thats not bad...what yeast?
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    An OG of 1.085ish is a high gravity. I doubt that the 7.9 gallon bucket would ‘work’ for this gravity of a beer.

    My Dubbel was 1.065 and a little bit of krausen came out of the airlock hole.

    It seems that your blow off method is working fine. I would just recommend that you keep an eye on it. A small diameter plastic tube seems like it could get blocked up with ‘goo’.

    Cheers!
     
  3. maltmuncher

    maltmuncher Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2012

    Used Wyeast 1099, and must have got a really good pack. I smacked the pouch at the start and by the time I go to cool down and pitch, the pack had so much pressure it was deformed and ready to pop (it literally could not have expanded any more I could not even squeeze it).

    Had about three pounds of specialty grains, then 8 lbs. DME & 3 lbs LME (pilsner). The recipe only called for like 1.5 lbs but I did not want to waste the 3lbs I bought so just used it all :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  4. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    Ive done that for years, it works fine. You also have to cut the X off the bottom of the airlock or that will clog, however.
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    How are you controlling the fermentation temp, and what is it?
     
  6. maltmuncher

    maltmuncher Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2012

    I do not control the temp of the vessel its self but it stays in a controlled environment that holds 73 F. year round.
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    That may put your peak fermentation temp around 77-80, probably at the upper end of that range, for a big beer. This would be part of the reason for the blowoff. Also, at those temps, expect a lot of esters and possibly fusel alcohols.
     
  8. maltmuncher

    maltmuncher Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2012

    Yeah, some people have kegerator or refrigerators I have a houseerator.. :wink:
    I keep my AC/Heat set to 73 night/day year round. I could do 75 but anything out of the 73-75 range I just dont care for. You think it would be better to keep it at 75 instead of 73? I guess in short I don't understand the difference in fermenting at various temps...
     
  9. RC0032

    RC0032 Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2009 Illinois

    Um...OK what was the OG? 1 smack pak wasn't enough.

    Thats about 10deg higher than I ferment. Not trying to rain on the beer but there are some process opportunities here.
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    No. What I'm saying is that 73F is generally too high, because peak fermentation temp may be 4-7 degrees higher than the ambient temp, because fermentation generates heat. And a peak fermentation temp of 77-80F, with most yeast strains, will produce off flavors. In general, you don't want the wort/beer getting warmer than the recommended temperature range for the strain you are using. For Wyeast 1099, that's 64-75F. And I would say that even 75F is probably too warm.
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Below is the description that Wyeast provides for 1099:

    YEAST STRAIN: 1099 | Whitbread Ale™
    A mildly malty and slightly fruity fermentation profile. It is less tart and dry than Wyeast 1098 British Ale. With good flocculation characteristics, this yeast clears well without filtration. Low fermentation temperatures will produce a clean finish with a very low ester profile.

    Origin:
    Flocculation: Medium-High
    Attenuation: 68-72%
    Temperature Range: 64-75F, 18-24C
    Alcohol Tolerance: 10% ABV

    So, the highest recommended temperature for fermentation (this is the temperature of the fermenting wort inside the bucket) is 75°F. With an ambient (room) temperature of 73°F the temperature of your fermenting wort is higher than 75°F; the fermentation process is an exothermic process which means that it generates heat.

    Higher fermentation temperatures will result in increased ester production and it could also lead to fusel alcohols being produced. Fusel alcohols will be perceived as being a ‘hot’ taste and it can cause hangovers.

    You really want to keep your fermentation temperatures within the recommended range. The absolute highest temperature that you should ferment 1099 with is 75°F.

    One way you could cool down your ferment is to place your fermenter within a Rubbermaid type container which you could fill up with water and then place ice (or refreezable blue cubes) to cool things down.

    Cheers!
     
  12. maltmuncher

    maltmuncher Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2012

    OK, so what do others do to cool during the fermenting stages?
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Below is something I posted in a previous thread:

    “My homebrewing area (utility room in my half basement) is a bit too warm now (ambient about 72-73°F). My preference is to ferment my Wit beers around 70°F (although 72°F would be OK). So, since fermentation is an exothermic reaction (it produces heat) I need to ‘manage’ the fermentation temperature. Right now I am able to do that by simply placing my bucket on the basement floor; the basement floor operates like a heat sink drawing the ‘excess’ heat away. I will just use the ‘floor method’ unless the fermentation temperature exceeds 72°F. If that occurs I will place my fermenter in a shallow Rubbermaid pan (about 5 inches tall) and put water in the pan. The presence of water increases the heat sink effect by cooling a couple more degrees. If I should need even more cooling I will place a towel (or a T-shirt) around the bucket for evaporative cooling. If even more cooling is needed I add a fan to the mix. If even more cooling is required I add some ice to the water; refreezable blue ice blocks.”

    Cheers!
     
  14. maltmuncher

    maltmuncher Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2012

    Using the spare tub in the house now.... with some ice in it but in general the tub is cooler than other items in the house...
     
  15. maltmuncher

    maltmuncher Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2012

    So I just now think I understand that I may not have used enough yeast, would it be a bad idea to go to the store and buy more to add to the primary?
     
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    At this point I would not recommend adding more yeast, unless you find you are having trouble with attenuation. Underpitching would have caused more propagation than is ideal, but it (the propagation of cells) is probably pretty much done by now.
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I would also not recommend that you add yeast at this point in time. Your fermentation is going gang busters right now.

    So, it appears that you pitched one activator pack for a beer of OG around 1.085/1.090. You very much underpitched; it would have been better if you made a starter for a beer of this very high gravity. Aspects that can occur with underpitching are increased esters and potentially producing fusel alcohols. Since you also had your fermentation at elevated temperatures for a period of time this also increases your chances of having increased esters and the presence of fusel alcohols. Keep your finger crossed and hopefully there will be no (or minimal) fusel alcohols and the ester levels will be palatable.

    Cheers!
     
  18. maltmuncher

    maltmuncher Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2012

    So I was really wondering what the temp is and started to think with out facts its just a guess... So I slapped this puppy on the side... Claims its at 72F.

    [​IMG]
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Claims its at 72F.” That is great news! That is within the recommended temperature range of Wyeast 1099.

    I am assuming that this is the reading after you placed the fermenter in your tub with some ice in the tub.
     
  20. maltmuncher

    maltmuncher Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2012

    Nope it was colder so I removed it, this is just setting out. With ice water I could get it colder... **and I think its closer to 71 you cant see it in the pic but 70 has a shade of blue suggesting the range is 70-72..
     
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