Alcohol taste evident late

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by jlordi12, Dec 20, 2014.

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  1. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Made iipa fermented low for the majority put on a heating pad late to finish out. No alcohol was evident in the first couple samples but has shown up after carbing up. I didn't underpitch if anything could have over pitched so I don't think stressed yeast was the problem. Did use a lot of simple sugars when I missed my OG. Any thoughts on what I'm dealing with? Tia
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Well, my first thought is that you have perceptible amounts of higher alcohols (fusel oils). When you state “…fermented low for the majority…” what was the specific fermentation temperature?

    You also made mention of “Did use a lot of simple sugars…” What percentage were the simple sugars?

    Cheers!
     
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    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Jack, ambient was 58-60. I'd say I used close to 1.25 lbs of sugar in a 1.072 beer
     
  4. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    You're brewing an iipa, so what is the expected abv?

    Is what you are tasting a strong alcohol flavor like acetone, or just like a kick of flavor like it's from the alcohol in the beer?
     
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    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    The beer tastes pretty good the alcohol is just more prevalent all of a sudden or I had blinders on before
     
  6. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I'm wondering if the simple sugars have dried the beer to the point that it masks the beer flavors in favor of the alcohol. Perhaps a little extra conditioning will nullify the problem.
     
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  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    That is indeed a cool ferment and 1.25 lbs. in a 1.072 gravity beer is not excessive IMO.

    Well, I am officially stumped on what the specific issue is here. Hopefully some other BAs may have some ideas.

    Cheers!
     
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  8. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I think you've dried the beer out, and the alcohol notes are coming forward more so.

    Whats the FG?

    Some time could help it a bit, but obviously not the hops!
     
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    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Thanks all. I tasted it more last night than I do right now, so I think it will be quite alright. Next time I'll add some DME when I don't hit my #
     
  10. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    What's your oxygen adding procedure?? I've heard of using too much oxygen leading to sharper hotter alcohol formation.
     
  11. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    This beer was in the primary the entire time. Time line was roughly two weeks, crash, fine, 4 day dry hop in keg w/ CO2 (room temp) and the last several days in the kegerator. Not a ton of exposure the trip from the primary to the Keg was pretty seamless
     
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    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    FG was 1.01
     
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    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Anyone ever have that experience of trying their beer at room temp and the head is super frothy from the dry hops, tastes incredible like a well done cask beer? Just so smooth and hoppy...that was my first experience with this beer, noticed no alcohol whatsoever. I think I was just amazed at what I had created and while still very good colder and more carbed it isn't quite that.
     
  14. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Let's add a zero to that...I've been drinking :slight_smile:

    I'd be more worried about the hop regimen rather than a little alcohol warmth :slight_smile:

    It will pair better with food :slight_smile:

    Merry Christmas!
     
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  15. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I don't mean oxygen exposure in fermentation. I'm talking about injecting oxygen prior to pitching. If you oxygenate with pure 02 for too long fusel alcohols can form.
     
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    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Nah, shake and bake method
     
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    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    It was the double sunshine clone. Not an exorbitant amount, but plenty
     
  18. afrokaze

    afrokaze Pooh-Bah (1,962) Jun 12, 2009 Oregon
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    Proper aeration in a bigger beer is key. It's worth the money to get a carbonation stone and an O2 tank, probably about $50 total. You just can't get enough pure oxygen into solution no matter how long you shake it. Plus you'll save your back the pain and no risk of dropping a full wet carboy.
     
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    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Good point, definitely on the to do list. I don't usually make bigger beers but I'd like to make a couple this year.
     
  20. afrokaze

    afrokaze Pooh-Bah (1,962) Jun 12, 2009 Oregon
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    If the beer is over 1.070 I usually hit it with about 1 min of pure O2 prior to pitching, then about 30 seconds the next day to help it along (but only within 24 of pitching). The yeast will typically use up 90%+ of the available oxygen in the growth phase within the first 18 hours before you see much bubbling in the airlock.
     
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