Alcoholic vs. Enthusiast

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by TheIPAHunter, Dec 26, 2014.

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  1. Mikus

    Mikus Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2014 Pennsylvania

    As long as it remains enjoyable, I can handle my business, and be a good Dad and husband... then IMO there is no need for any labels. Enjoy yourself!
     
  2. zac16125

    zac16125 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,432) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    Whats with the titles and labeling? Can't we be BOTH?
     
  3. SmashPants

    SmashPants Initiate (0) Jun 24, 2012 Australia

    I prefer 'alcoholic enthusiast', thank you very much!
     
  4. Marka7z

    Marka7z Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2014 California

    I, as a college student, am constantly faced with this dilemma. I work 20 hours a week, and maintain 12-15 units of college coursework. One thing I go to to relieve stress is craft beer, an industry I very much hope to work in after college. I avoid drinking and driving at all, I never miss class or work due to alcohol, and I haven't failed a class in 3 years (Chemistry is a bitch) I love all types of craft beer and am always intrigued to try new things, I often find myself going to total wine and picking up a beer to try. I generally will pop a top when I get home at night if I have the time and it doesn't threaten my responsibilities, at the same time, I find myself doing it rather often. It is nice to take a step back once in a while to self check, and make sure you are functioning fine without alcohol. Its very easy to say that you aren't over-drinking, just being an enthusiast, its finding a good balance that is the hardest part, and I'll admit, its hard to refrain with so many good beers out there to try.
     
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  5. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    There was just a post on this forum the other day about the difference between heavy drinking and alcoholism. The statistic from the study was along the lines of 1/3 of Americans are classified as heavy drinkers (and we're not that prolific compared to many countries), but 90% of heavy drinkers were not considered alcoholics.

    Alcoholism is a disease. Being aware and concerned about it is very important for "enthusiasts" or heavy drinkers.

    @Goldstar81 covered a bunch of the points I'd make about alcoholism awareness, including a self-test. I revisit one from time to time; being afraid of an honest answer is not a safe way to approach any indulgence which can be addictive and destructive if not managed.
     
  6. Shroud0fdoom

    Shroud0fdoom Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Maryland

    You know exactly what they're doing with Twenty Cases! They hit up the ISO:FT hoping to land some BVDL.:rolling_eyes:
     
  7. Shroud0fdoom

    Shroud0fdoom Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Maryland

    I'm going to be straight. I am an ALCOHOLIC. I actually need alcohol to tolerate the human race. I just so happen to love good tasting beer.
     
  8. gopens44

    gopens44 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,560) Aug 9, 2010 Virginia
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    I believe I am addicted to buying beer. I buy more than I can reasonably drink in a responsible period. This leads to "accidental cellaring"......
     
  9. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I will answer the same way I always do. I take a month off every year. It clears me out in every way, including making beer taste even better when I start to enjoy it again. I recommend every BA do the same.

    If you are unable do this, you likely are an alcoholic, and should consider helping yourself.
     
  10. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    I love beer but it's best to drink it in a pub so I visit a pub several times a week.I do have bottled beer at home but it isn't the same as a freshly pulled pint (it lacks all the nuances and flavour levels of well kept cask) so only drink it when friends drop in. I try to keep two or three days a week alcohol free but it doesn't always happen!
    Alcoholics generally tend to go for the hard stuff rather than beer.
     
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  11. Thirstygoat

    Thirstygoat Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2012 Illinois
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    I'd stipulate to alcohol abuse,at times. Christmas Eve some out of state friends dropped in and over 4 hours I had 5 beers including a Brown Shugga, FBS x 2, DH Blueberry Stout . But I only drink, at all, 2-4 times a week. I'm more likely to have hangover symptoms from too many brownies and ice cream than from beer. And, I'm sure to have a plan that does not involve driving if I drink more than the equivalent of two 5% beer. (I weight over 220lbs) Then again, the calories from those stouts and barleywines have a way of adding up.
     
  12. CValle1975

    CValle1975 Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2011 Virginia

    Time off. I think that's important. It allows the body to bounce back. I take very long periods off. My longest break was 9 months or so. I needed to drop some stubborn weight and wanted to see how long I could go without a beer. It's surprisingly easy for me and it's a good way to check yourself. I usually take one or two months off any given year. That being said, I love beer and it's amazing how much great beer is out there. Cheers and happy holidays, all...
     
  13. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Indeed. I think it is an English expression that, badly mangled here no doubt, "The beer brewer is no friend of the alcoholic," because it costs too much and takes too much drinking to achieve the drunken state alcoholics prefer and need.
     
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  14. elektrikjester

    elektrikjester Initiate (0) Nov 15, 2008 Georgia

    Hear, hear.
     
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  15. StoutSnob40

    StoutSnob40 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,611) Jan 4, 2013 California
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    Calm down, ya drunk.
     
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  16. Genuine

    Genuine Maven (1,347) May 7, 2009 Connecticut

    Usually I'll have 1-2 beers a night after work. Sometimes I catch a buzz, sometimes I don't. Not necessarily looking for it everytime I have a beer. Every 3-4 months I'll take a week off from having beer and it's not a struggle to do so.

    During the holidays and weekend I'll indulge a bit more and carry a buzz however I'm finding that I really don't like to cross the line between buzzing and the beginning stages of being drunk. I don't like dealing with the mornings as much, haha
     
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  17. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Sweet! I'm not an alcoholic according to that definition!
    Damnit. Took that test and now I'm an alcoholic...
    That's me right there. See, here's my thing: I'm a ticker. I review/rate an average of 10 beers a week (some of those are flight pours at bars) so obviously I keep my fridge very well-stocked and I have a bunch of beer in my "cellar" (closet). My problem is, whenever my girlfriend says "You should take a break," and I say "Yeah you're right," I then think about those fresh (D)IPAs I just bought that are deteriorating by the hour and, if I don't drink them soon, won't be quite as delicious. Oh and there's another limited release IPA coming out tomorrow too so, nah, I'll take a break later. If I get behind on my beer drinking, it'll throw my whole schedule out of whack because there's always a new beer to try on any given day. So the question isn't "Am I an alcoholic?" Yes, I like to get drunk and yes, I don't like to get too drunk so I try to moderate the best I can. The whole thing boils down to whether or not I could stop cold turkey if I wanted to. It's difficult, not because I miss the feeling of getting drunk, but rather the "Oh man, why did that awesome IPA I've never had before have to get released during the week I'm trying to not drink?" feeling. It's that whole "I can quit anytime I want to...but not today, because my favorite bar has Hop Drop on tap and you never see that on tap around here." There aren't enough hours in the day to try everything I want to try without getting blitzed, so there certainly aren't enough hours in the day for me to take time off from drinking. That is unless I want to wait until next year to try that highly anticipated release...crazy talk! It might not be as good next year!:grimacing:
    Surely, you strategically plan which month every year to take your break, right? Is there a certain time of year where it's easier for you to refrain? Like maybe a period where there's a lull in limited releases? I feel like I would be able to do it if there were no beers I wanted to drink that month that were best enjoyed fresh. A difficult thing to plan out for sure.
     
  18. spidermite

    spidermite Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2014 California

    Im of the mind that its not true alcoholism unless it is affecting your day to day functionality in any way. If you go to work with a hangover, learn to drink less. My work requires a lot of quick action and attention, and I learned very quickly to cut back my drinking to 1 beer a day.
     
  19. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Sadly the time was chosen for me the last two years by needing to take doxycycline for 6 weeks due to infection from lyme disease, both years, in June/July. Before that it varied, but I found it easier in winter, and probably will take a break later this winter. The longest break I took was from 1992 - 1996, and after was a very occasional drinker into the 2000's. Two young kids, and me being the primary care giver partly the reason for it. Now both are grown, and I drink beer when I feel like it. Think I will get one now. :slight_smile:
     
  20. StuartCarter

    StuartCarter Pundit (922) Apr 25, 2006 Alabama

    the United States needs to get the f**k over the whole "alcoholism" crap.
     
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