All Grain Brewing

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  1. Cincy_Brew

    Cincy_Brew Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2013 Ohio

    Does anybody have any suggestions for an all grain brewing recipe for beginners? I've only done extract kits and want to give a try with all grain home brewing.
     
  2. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    What system do you have ?
     
  3. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    I would say to go as simple as possible for a first AG brew. A pale ale, maybe. Mostly 2-row base malt, maybe a dash of crystal malt. Hop as you like it.
    Mash at 152 for an hour, sparge, boil etc.
     
  4. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    As asked, what equipment do you have to make the jump? That would aid in our suggestions.
     
  5. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I'd say a low abv porter or stout would do fine. A wheat beer would turn around quickly and give good results. You'll want rice hulls for a wheat or rye beer though.

    After you decide on style let us know on this thread and we'll throw recipes at you.
     
  6. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    Here's the first recipe I ever created, more or less, for a very simple beer
    9 pounds 2 row pale or Maris Otter(OPTIONAL: I toast 1 pound for 115 minutes at 350F)
    1/2 pound carapils
    Mash at 152 for about an hour
    Hallertau: 1.5 oz for 60 mins, 1 oz at 20 minutes, 1 oz at flameout
    Ferment cool with Nottingham, S-05 or whatever yeast you really like.
     
  7. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Oh, and have lots of ice cubes and boiling water on the ready if you miss your mash temperature. I add 14 degrees, to my expected mash temp, to a preheated mash tun, and I get within a degree every time. If you don't preheat a mash tun, end up using a kettle, or have grains that aren't at room temp your mileage will vary.
     
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  8. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Brew a SMaSH!

    One malt.
    One hop.
     
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  9. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    And one step mash.
     
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  10. Cincy_Brew

    Cincy_Brew Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2013 Ohio

    I only have the basic equipment used for home brewing kits (5 gal. brew kettle, a plastic fermentation pot, glass carboy, airlock), more or less the essentials used for extract kits. I'm really interested in brewing a stout (imperial,chocolate,oatmeal), but I'm not really sure how difficult a recipe like that would be for an all-grain first timer.

    Thanks for all the help!
     
  11. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Well, hmm. I assume you know you'll need to get a vessel to mash in. You're also going to have to purchase a larger pot if you want to do 5 gallon AG batches.

    As to a stout...it's really no more difficult than other brews, but I'd skip on an Imperial one...those are a little more involved...and temperamental.
     
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  12. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Stouts are great beers. They're forgiving to brew. If it tastes a little boozy because you didn't regulate your fermentation temperatures then That's fine too. It'll keep you warm for a Bengals' playoff game. :slight_smile:

    It sounds like you either need to build a mash tun or you need to do a BIAB (brew in a bag) mash. It's up to you which route you want to go. If you're serious about brewing then there's no doubt in my mind that a mash tun will pay off for you. It'll run $40-70 by the time you buy a cooler, valve, and a manifold/bazooka screen. Brew in a bag costs you what, a paint straining bag per brew? A buck a pop and less efficiency on your grains. For BIAB you'll use your 5 gal kettle and if you can't get 6.5 gal for a full boil, you'll need DME on the side to make up the gravity points that aren't there.

    Bottom line, as John Snow mentioned, you need a bigger kettle. I have a 6 gal kettle. Guess what I use it for now? Heating water for mashing and sparging. You have the option of making a 4ish gal batch, or if you want to make a beer that's 20% too strong and 20% too hoppy you could always add RO/distilled water to the 4 gal batch.

    We're going to need more feedback to help you through this one. It all depends on what you want to spend and how involved you want to get at this point.
     
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  13. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

  14. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    Brew whatever you like, I'd say, with the only caveat being to do some homework about your water and how it will interact with different grists.

    A stout would be a great choice. If you do brew one, be aware that roasted grains lower the mash pH when low carbonate water is used and can push it out of the desirable range. I would suggest finding out as much as you can about your water, and then feeding the info along with your grist into a program like EZ Water (available for free online). If you play around with it a bit, you'll be able to see how to make adjustments, if any are needed.
     
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  15. Cincy_Brew

    Cincy_Brew Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2013 Ohio

    Sorry for the delay...preparing for finals.
    I'd definitely be willing to do a mash tun, but considering I'm still somewhat of a novice I'm thinking I should maybe try out BIAB first.

    Again I really appreciate all the input!
     
  16. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    With that gear available, I'd recommend doing a 2.5 gallon all grain BIAB. You've got all the gear necessary for it.

    Just pick up a bag like this: http://www.northernbrewer.com/shop/jumbo-coarse-strain-bag-18-x-32.html and find a 5 gallon recipe from a place like NB that looks good, and half it. It won't be spot on, but will come out just fine.
     
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  17. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Pick up a bag like this ^^^ but from Lowes, Home Depot, or box hardware store. It's called a paint staining bag. They're for 5 gallons of paint, but we use them for brewing. They're soo much cheaper when you stop calling them a homebrew novelty item and don't pay shipment for them. Just go to the hardware store.

    A half batch is a good idea and you'll be surprised at the cost of grain compared to extract. It'll cut the cost of brewing by about half. You have to justify what your time is worth. A gallon of beer is about 10 bottles. 10 Bottles will take about 4 hours to make. A full boil batch (50 bottles) will also take 4 hours to brew. This takes 6.5 gallons of wort and boil off over an hour to do. That means about an 8 gal pot so that you can comfortably boil wort without boil overs.

    P.S. If you stick with what you've got a half batch is about a case of beer ~24+ beers.
     
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  18. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Assuming you have sanitization and fermentation down pat from your extract brewing experience and you have equipment for doing all-grain batches (BIAB, cooler mash tun, or something more advanced), you could feasibly do any style you want. For a first time all-grain experience, you might want to resist the urge to do step mashes, decoctions, or cereal mashes. You can do just about any style with a simple single infusion mash, although some styles are arguably better if done with a more complicated procedure. Still, English, American, and Belgian ales are well-suited.
     
  19. TheHumanTorch

    TheHumanTorch Devotee (353) Jul 19, 2013 Connecticut

    I just did my first solo AG batch with BIAB. Definitely get the paint strainer bag, not the homebrew bag, as others have advocated. I got a few 5 gallon fine mesh paint strainer bag for $1.61 each from the local Sherwin Williams. As for a recipe, here is the one I used for a breakfast stout. Just tasted a hydrometer sample, and this one should be great.

    5 Gallon Batch
    90 min boil
    OG 1.080
    Predicted FG 1.025
    ABV 7.7%

    74% American 2-Row
    6% Flaked Oats
    3% Flaked Rye (Can sub for another 3% oatmeal, I just ran out of oatmeal)
    6% Crisp Chocolate Malt
    4% Debittered Black Malt
    3% Roasted Barley Malt
    2% Crystal 120L
    Mash @ 155

    Hops (IBU = 54)
    1 oz Warrior @ 75 min
    1 oz Willamette @ flameout

    ~4 oz Light roast coffee, coarsely ground. Put in mesh "hop" bag after 2 weeks in primary (did not transfer to secondary). Probably going to let this sit for a week or so. Scale this amount down if you are doing less than 5 gallons.

    Yeast: WLP004 Irish Ale Yeast
     
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  20. Cincy_Brew

    Cincy_Brew Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2013 Ohio

    This is really great. Again thanks to all you for the input, this really helps a lot.

    I just finished brewing what I think will be my last extract batch a few weeks ago. Once I bottle that I'll go ahead and try out the BIAB using the paint strainer bag and all the other recommendations I've gotten from everybody. As for the recipe I think the breakfast stout that HumanTorch recommended above is exactly what I'm looking for. I'll most likely be posting a few other questions regarding my first AG brew as time goes on.

    Thanks Again!
     
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