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Allagash Coolship in MA?

Discussion in 'New England' started by bostonbeans, Feb 7, 2013.

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  1. bostonbeans

    bostonbeans Initiate (171) Apr 19, 2012 Massachusetts
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    Anyone know if any of the Coolships will make their way down to MA?

    Thanks!
     
  2. Archemedies

    Archemedies Initiate (0) Dec 8, 2011 Massachusetts

    They are brewery only.
     
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  3. beerinmaine

    beerinmaine Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2009 Maine

    What he said. Brewery only, with no plans to change that. A few hundred (or even a thousand) bottles is just too little to distribute.
     
  4. bostonbeans

    bostonbeans Initiate (171) Apr 19, 2012 Massachusetts
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    well that answers it... thanks guys
     
  5. LostTraveler

    LostTraveler Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2011 Maine

    Only when people go up to Portland to get them, which is quite a few. I cant remember the last time I went to Allagash and there wasnt atleast 1 car from Mass.
     
  6. Archemedies

    Archemedies Initiate (0) Dec 8, 2011 Massachusetts

    I drove up once from Mass. I realized it was cheaper if I sent a box with money that covered the cost, and shipping, as well as generous tip up to my friend who lives 10 minutes away. Box always get to his house before 9am, and I get it back the next day.
     
  7. InfinityonTrial

    InfinityonTrial Initiate (77) Mar 31, 2012 Connecticut
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    They still have Resurgam or did they finally sell out?
     
  8. mclaughlindw4

    mclaughlindw4 Initiate (0) Jul 2, 2009 Maine

    you can possilbly get the fv13 soon.
     
  9. beerinmaine

    beerinmaine Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2009 Maine

    Not Coolship, but yes, going to distro soon.
     
  10. mclaughlindw4

    mclaughlindw4 Initiate (0) Jul 2, 2009 Maine

    I don't know why this just reminded me. If anyone has watched or will watch Anthony Bourdain's Layover show. The episode where he is in Atlanta, they keep shooting at this beer bar and there are clearly a bunch of allagash bottles in the background. They look like one-offs (the little bottles). I just got excited because my hawk eyes noticed it. There is really only one shot where you can get a good look at them but I still couldn't tell what they were.
     
  11. mathematizer

    mathematizer Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2006 Maine

    There were two cases visible last Saturday... You can call and ask, they'll tell you.
     
  12. Seanniek91

    Seanniek91 Defender (646) Jul 1, 2012 Rhode Island
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    Not cooship, but It's 100% spontaneously fermented.
     
  13. geocool

    geocool Initiate (175) Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    If you have any evidence that this is true could you please post it?
     
  14. tehzachatak

    tehzachatak Initiate (0) Sep 19, 2010 Massachusetts

  15. Seanniek91

    Seanniek91 Defender (646) Jul 1, 2012 Rhode Island
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    It's a base beer thats been fermented with wild yeast and bacteria. How is it not true?
     
  16. woosterbill

    woosterbill Poo-Bah (2,616) Apr 6, 2009 Kentucky
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    All spontaneously fermented beers contain wild yeast and bacteria, but not all beers fermented with wild yeast and bacteria are spontaneously fermented. Square/rectangle sort of thing.

    This beer appears to have been intentionally inoculated with a chosen blend of wild yeast and bacteria strains, rather than picking them up spontaneously in a koelscip. If this beer were actually spontaneously fermented, I'm sure Allagash would have mentioned that in their description.
     
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  17. Seanniek91

    Seanniek91 Defender (646) Jul 1, 2012 Rhode Island
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    Allright thank you for clarifying for me without going all hollier than thou on me.
     
  18. woosterbill

    woosterbill Poo-Bah (2,616) Apr 6, 2009 Kentucky
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    No problem. It's a common misconception, since the term "wild" gets applied to so many beers these days that are anything but. Everybody these days seems to be throwing lab-isolated strains of Brett into beers and labeling them "wild," when only a very select few breweries are creating beer via genuine spontaneous fermentation.

    It's the difference between Allagash's Coolship line and beers like Confluence and Interlude, or between Russian River's spontaneously fermented Beatification and their other cultured sours like Temptation, Supplication, etc.
     
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  19. geocool

    geocool Initiate (175) Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    Furthermore,
    This implies to me that the base beer was already fermented with a primary Sach strain before entering the foudre and meeting the wild yeast and bacteria. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's how the Jolly Pumpkin beers are made and they're excellent.

    We are still holier than thou, though. :-)
     
  20. Seanniek91

    Seanniek91 Defender (646) Jul 1, 2012 Rhode Island
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    Thou though? Thanks bro. You'll go in my cannon of demi gods.
     
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  21. geocool

    geocool Initiate (175) Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    I don't have a problem with this. If a tiger is born and raised in captivity, it's still a wild animal. It takes many many generations for it to evolve and become a tabby cat before we can say it's domesticated.
     
  22. woosterbill

    woosterbill Poo-Bah (2,616) Apr 6, 2009 Kentucky
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    I too am generally ok with calling an isolated strain of Brettanomyces a "wild" yeast, but I think it starts to verge on misinformation when a beer fermented with a lab strain gets called a "wild ale." This implies that the beer's fermentation was left to the course of nature when, clearly, it was not.

    To continue with your quite apt wild animal analogy, bringing up a wild animal in captivity doesn't make the animal non-wild, but neither does it make its new captive habitat wilderness.
     
  23. mclaughlindw4

    mclaughlindw4 Initiate (0) Jul 2, 2009 Maine

  24. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Savant (957) Mar 17, 2009 Washington
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    Not to confuse this conversation but Allagash's house brett strain was isolated from the area surrounding their brewery. Maybe you knew that. It has the spirit of spontaneity by fermenting with the region's wild yeast.
     
  25. woosterbill

    woosterbill Poo-Bah (2,616) Apr 6, 2009 Kentucky
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    Very cool, I actually didn't know that. I knew that New Glarus did something similar for their R&D "Gueuze", although I think in that case Dan threw in more microflora than just Brett. Anyhow, I still think it's fair to maintain a distinction between an inoculated beer and a spontaneous one, and that the popularization of the "wild" terminology has made this distinction confusing for many.

    First world problems, I know. Cheers!
     
  26. kinopio

    kinopio Disciple (328) Apr 30, 2009 Massachusetts
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    Had FV-13 on tap at Vee Vee over the weekend and really liked it. Glad they are distributing bottles.
     
  27. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Savant (957) Mar 17, 2009 Washington
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    I know the first gueuze was spontaneously fermented next to a barn or something. It was blended with a little bit of a normally fermented sour that didnt turn out so well. That story could possibly be flipped because I dont remember so well.
     
  28. beerinmaine

    beerinmaine Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2009 Maine

    FV13: tomorrow.
     
  29. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,535) Aug 23, 1996 California
    Staff Subscriber Beer Trader

    Question answered; releases are currently brewery only.
     
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