American Beer Culture.

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Urk1127, Oct 19, 2015.

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  1. bluehende

    bluehende Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2010 Delaware

    The US is melting pot. As such culture is very diverse and would be impossible to homogenize into any single beer culture.
     
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  2. Rback

    Rback Crusader (489) Feb 26, 2012 New York

    The Benedictine Weihenstephan Brewery in Bavaria, Germany, can trace its roots to the year 768. Ask me your question in 3262 & I'll give you an answer.
     
  3. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    That sounds a bit more like a family dynamic than a national dynamic.
    Thanks for that thoughtful response. I think what we are discovering- yes rediscovering- is that this is an amazing place and great things are going on. Like I said above...Portland, Seattle, Bend, San Diego, Asheville and so may more.
    I go to New Orleans on occasion (Jazz-Fest), and the beer scene is just OK. I love the oysters. Check out Fonta Flora out of Morganton for some original stuff. Beer is meaningful, but not everything!
     
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  4. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    I never thought if it in that way, but i do know exactly what you mean. I know a lot of people who "need to be in the mood to drink" meaning they wont have beer unless its enough to get drunk. But i myself don't think like this so i forget sometimes that THAT is a possibility. But at the same time my opinion is, as im a blue collar worker myself, you can just as easily relax with say a single Tripel or RIS, not get drunk off your ass and still have the same effect as pounding 10 coors lights without the headache, to each their own. :astonished: Sorry to lose track. I co exist with plenty of those people daily at work/home and its just the party animals (which i find incredibly annoying) that ONLY drink for being drunk, and i dont think craft could coexist with the "partier" aspect of it simply because craft is the experience not the after effect. But i know and see the "blue collar" is 90% of us and never thought twice if it if you know what i mean.

    And we all get drunk at some point.....just for me....im not at work thinking "i cant wait to get wasted" is what i meant. We all like a good time but i dont see it as drink as much as i can until i pass out.
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I understand your sentiment here and I tend to agree with it. I am not sure that there is an unambiguous definition for "beer culture" so this is likely a 'shades of gray' topic.
    It is tricky to use the word "Europe" here since many countries of Europe are not beer drinking nations (e.g., Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, ...). Even if you try to concentrate on a single country like Germany it is difficult since there are portions of Germany where beer is not as much of the regional culture (e.g., the wine growing regions of Germany, the regions of Germany where industrial beer is the beverage of choice (they call these beers Ferneshbiere: TV beer), etc.).

    Cheers!
     
  6. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    I think there is a single beer culture in the USA. People in different parts of our country may drink different beers but the beers are while doing the same things. Backyard BBQ's, tailgating at or while watching live sports, watching sports on TV at home or in a bar and other forms of partying is the American beer culture
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I agree with your sentiment but I would prefer that it be worded as: "I think there is a common beer culture in the USA". it is a nitpick but the word "single" implies this is the only (sole) culture.

    While there may be some variation in the brand of beer consumed I would be willing to bet that in a significant number of these events we would see light beers of some sort (Bud Light, Coors Light, Miller Lite, etc,) being consumed. I would be willing to bet that a tailgating event at Penn State, LSU, Michagan State, UCLA, etc. you would see light beers being consumed in massive quantities regardless of where they are located in the US.

    While there may be some regional differences there is also a lot of commonality; the tops selling beers are consumed in massive quantities in every region of the US (and I am sure that even in Oregon there are lots of light beer drinkers).

    Cheers!
     
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  8. CellarGimp

    CellarGimp Initiate (0) Sep 14, 2011 Missouri

    Not sure if inverted keg stands and beer pong qualify as "culture".
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    'shades of gray':wink:

    Cheers!
     
  10. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    Your are right common would have been a better choice of word to use. It also seems to me that the % of craft beer drunk at such events is about the same as crafts % of the total beer market.
     
  11. pat61

    pat61 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2010 Minnesota

    America is huge and we are much more prone to tear things down and build something new than the Europeans. In some ways our culture and scene is that we are forever changing and reinventing things. Years ago I was taking a walk with a little Irish boy and we cam upon a plaque at the south End of lake Calhoun in Minneapolis that said an Indian Village had been on that site 200 years ago. He looked at me and said that his school was 400 years old.

    I would rather not have a unified American Beer culture. A thousand or two different cultures would be just fine. Businesses rise and fall, get gobbled up or gobble up others and lose their character. Some businesses last for several generations but most don't. Even the ones that last change. If my local microbrewers and have different names, vibes and locations in the near or far future I will continue to go there as long as I can walk through the door.
     
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  12. paulys55

    paulys55 Initiate (0) Aug 2, 2010 Pennsylvania

    I think sadly American culture in general is at an all time low. Music, art, etc. Our sense of community isn't what it was and there are so many factors that we can attribute to this but I think as long as we live in this cell phone/computer/tv centered age where kids would rather face-time their friends than actually hang out with them, they are going to grow up with a different sense of community than our parents knew. I guess I'm just a rambling old timer and you should just ignore this post.
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    My last tailgate was last year at MetLife Stadium (East Rutherford, NJ) for a Notre Dame vs. Syracuse Football Game. In our 'neighborhood' of a dozen or so RVs the only people drinking craft was me and a few others (drinking my homebrewed beers). Everybody else was drinking Bud Light, Miller Lite, Bud (and a handful of people drinking Coors Light). Game time was 8:00 and there were tons of people staggering to get into that game. I can't claim that this one instance is statistically valid but there was essentially zero craft beer being consumed at this event.

    Cheers!
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Hey you damn kids get off my lawn!:wink:

    Cheers!
     
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  15. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Hmmm, might be a better number than you give it credit for.

    First rule out all those you couldn't see drinking. Drunk can be caused by many different things.

    Next "a dozen or so RVs" and "me and a few others."

    If we say a dozen as an estimate and assume 3 people drinking beer per RV then thats 36 drinkers. With you and "a few others" that's about 4 people minimum. That means about 11% of the people were drinking your home brew (a form of craft). If market share is still about 12% then your 11% is well within range of the expected numbers we'd expect to find.
     
  16. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Pauly do you know what your parents were saying about your generation and what their parents said about them? :-)
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Based upon my RV and the other RVs immediately near us it was more like 10-12 drinkers per RV. There was more than one fight that broke out within 20 feet of where I was sitting.

    Cheers!
     
  18. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I don't think we'll have a single unified beer culture, but I absolutely feel that we have elements of a regional beer culture in some places. I've spent time in the beer-centric European nations and think there are elements of it that we capture. The trick is that it's only in certain pockets. Denver and Ft. Collins might have a lot of the communal aspects I've seen in Germany and Belgium, but this is a huge country. You don't necessarily even get that same vibe an hour or two in any direction, let alone in rural Mississippi or Camden NJ.
     
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  19. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Man that's a lot of folks per RV, but if your RV had close to that many home brew drinkers.... Gotta have at least one fight erupt at a tailgating football event, its one of the parking lot rules.... :slight_smile:
     
  20. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    We will never have a beer culture like the Europeans. First off we are regionalized, all ready been said but the size of our country and regional differences come into play. I also see the us beer culture being all about innovation and making bigger flavored beers that'll turn a lot of people off. Most people don't have the palate for hoppy beers or big boozy imperial stouts or sours that are popular in America. The German lagers and English session beers seem much more approachable and makes it easier to have them be a regular part of their beer culture.
     
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