Another Averagely Perfect Brew?

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  1. Supergenious

    Supergenious Disciple (367) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    Looking back, it appears it’s been about a year since the last AP beer. I think it just might be time for another. What does everybody think? Who’s up for it? More importantly, are you up for it @VikeMan ?
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Poo-Bah (1,962) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I don't really have the time to devote right now, but I'd be willing to start another one after April 5th. Maybe sooner, depending. In the meantime, maybe this thread could be used as a discussion for what styles people are interested in.
     
  3. Mohican88

    Mohican88 Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2010 Ohio

    These are the styles that I came with that were previously done as AP brews. If I'm missing any, please chime in.

    American IPA
    American Stout
    Saison
    Strong Bitter (ESB)

    Thinking ahead, if we were start in mid-April this recipe would be ready to brew/drink in the late summer months, so my thoughts for a style would be cream ale, weissbier, or kolsch.
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Poo-Bah (1,962) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    NorthEast IPA was also done.
     
  5. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    I would second cream ale or kolsch. A Belgian would also be interesting (dubbel or quad would be my choice), but maybe there's not enough variables to play with there, I don't know.

    Going way out there... maybe something Baltic? Unfortunately I doubt many of us can acquire the juniper for a proper kveik-fermented maltøl, but we could bake the mash (keptinis)... eh, there might not be enough collective knowledge/experience for it to be a good crowdsourced project.

    Maybe schwarzbier or Baltic porter? Just throwing ideas out there. I guess a lot of people can't lager though.
     
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  6. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    I agree - it should probably be an ale so more people can do it.

    I vote (in no particular order)

    Dubbel
    Wheat/Weiss
    English Porter
     
  7. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (323) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I'd be down for a cream ale for the summer
     
  8. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    My only hesitation on cream ale is, how many variables are realistically in play? The style calls for 6-row and corn, I doubt many people are going to have more than one option for either (I mean we could do corn grits or something, but realistically it seems as though flaked corn is going to be the choice).

    And the yeast is just going to be something that doesn't provide much character. The hops feel like a personal choice. And so what's left? Cream ale feels like something that's down to technique, not recipe so much.

    But don't get me wrong, I would love to be proven wrong about this, because cream ale is something I've been wanting to brew for a while, and this would be a great way to come up with the recipe.
     
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  9. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Disciple (393) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Perhaps a Blonde Ale would be similar enough to a Kölsch or Cream Ale, but with more possibilities for variation? Just a thought. Cheers!
     
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  10. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (323) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Ya blonde ale would be fine too. I'd like something that wouldn't have to be some flavor powerhouse. Can't do a lager as it excludes people that can't lager.
     
  11. pweis909

    pweis909 Poo-Bah (1,906) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Scottish Ale.
    Pros:
    • Not been done.
    • Wide range of gravity from 60 shilling to wee heavy. Vote could take us from session beer to heavyweight
    • Highly contrasting approaches discussed in the homebrewing community and debated as to authenticity. Could vote on that for a while
    • Wide range of potential grain ingredients, depending on approach taken.
    • Others?
    Cons:
    • Maybe doesn't strike a cord with the hop forward crowd?
    • Not lots of yeast choices.
    • Others?
     
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  12. Soneast

    Soneast Champion (830) May 9, 2008 Wisconsin

    An Oktoberfest or marzen might be a good one to brew, assuming a time frame of it being ready to drink towards the end of September. Then again, the Averagely Perfect polls often take a couple months to complete, so that might not be ideal. Assuming an early April poll start and possibly ending around end of May would leave 3 months to brew/ferment and lager. Would be our first Averagely Perfect lager too. :slight_smile:
     
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  13. pweis909

    pweis909 Poo-Bah (1,906) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    There are enough brulosophers suggesting that can't and lager don't belong in the same sentence that I don't think we should automatically rule it out. Maybe we could even have someone with a homebrew club sponsor a comparison of several different traditional vs. non-traditional beers that we mail in.
     
  14. Yalc

    Yalc Initiate (116) Nov 5, 2011 Florida

    I would love to see Kolsch just in time for summer.
     
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  15. pweis909

    pweis909 Poo-Bah (1,906) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    My first cream ale experiment featured 6 row vs 2 row. Maybe Pils? A second is underway, yeast choice (US05vsK97). A third could be corn vs. rice. All malt? Optimal ratios? Fermentation temperatures? Gravities? Hop expression? Pre-prohibition vs modern.
     
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  16. Buck89

    Buck89 Poo-Bah (3,190) Feb 7, 2015 Tennessee
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    I'm interested in all of these, but personally I would like to see a Festbier/Marzen. Seems like there are enough variables to keep it interesting.
     
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  17. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    No reason why we couldn't have a Marzen with lager and pseudo-lager methods. I'd prefer that over a cream ale that I wouldn't be terribly interested in drinking.
     
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  18. csurowiec

    csurowiec Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2010 Maryland

    I like dubbel for the next one.
     
  19. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Aspirant (246) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    How about a fruit beer with a unique truly crowd sourced malt, hops, and yeast bill? Decide on the fruit and craft a base beer to carry it, most of the to-style beers previously suggested have a pretty pre-established ballpark recipe.
     
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  20. Supergenious

    Supergenious Disciple (367) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    I agree with @pweis909 . I think a Scottish ale could interesting. Another option that nobody has mentioned is a barley wine. I could also get on board with a Marzen. And for those not able to lager, @crcostel makes a good point about the pseudo lager marzen option. Lastly, a dubbel could be fun.
    I would vote against blonde ale, Kolsch, cream ale, or Hefeweizen just because I don’t know that they would provide enough voting options to make it interesting.
     
  21. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    I triple a dubbel. Would be nice to see a trappist ale.
     
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  22. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    Nicely done
     
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  23. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (323) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I'd be okay with a dubbel.
     
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  24. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Devotee (490) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont

  25. Dave_S

    Dave_S Initiate (69) May 18, 2017 England

    Dubbel could definitely be fun, although I try not to have too many non-sessionable beers on the go at once, so I can't guarantee that I'd get one brewed to any specific schedule.

    California Common might also be worth considering; it's another crushable lager-ish hybrid style but with a bit more wiggle room in the recipe than kolsch or cream ale.
     
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  26. MrOH

    MrOH Meyvn (1,378) Jul 5, 2010 Maryland

    I'd be down for Dubbel or Brown Porter. Two of my favorite styles that I don't get around to brewing that often
     
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  27. Brewday

    Brewday Initiate (152) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    Funny everyone is saying Dubbel and i just had one made at Tarboro Brewing in NC. I'm in for it.
     
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  28. JuliusPepperwood

    JuliusPepperwood Aspirant (213) Jul 21, 2013 North Carolina

    Maybe something sour like a Berliner or Gose.
     
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  29. CarolusP

    CarolusP Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    Dubbel. I'd like to brew one for consumption next winter, so the timing could be perfect.
     
  30. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (323) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    But what if I'm impatient and want immediate results :wink:. How about hefeweizen?
     
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  31. Naugled

    Naugled Defender (640) Sep 25, 2007 New York

    I like the idea of a Pilsner or other Lager.

    But, I also like the Dubbel or Brown Porter ideas
     
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  32. thebriansmaude

    thebriansmaude Initiate (95) Dec 16, 2016 Canada (AB)
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    seems like it might be appropriate to set up a poll for the style ?
     
  33. CarolusP

    CarolusP Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    I love hefeweizens, but that would be the shortest perfectly average poll series ever...

    Poll #1 - ABV?
    Poll #2 - Wheat/Pilsner Ratio?
    Poll #3 - Which noble hop should we bitter with?
    Poll #4 - Which wheat yeast should we use?

    Done.
     
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  34. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (323) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Brown ale.
     
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  35. MrOH

    MrOH Meyvn (1,378) Jul 5, 2010 Maryland

    Well, to be fair, there would also be polls on mash and fermentation regimens.
     
  36. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (323) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Brown ale could be interesting. It's an unheralded style that everyone claims they love. English vs American, brown malt vs biscuit vs victory, what type of chocolate malt, what yeast....
    I personally would want an English style with brown malt and ekg :slight_smile:
     
  37. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota
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    I could give a "seminar" on Hefe, or start a new thread if people wanted.
     
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  38. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (323) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I'll bite, start a new thread :slight_smile:
     
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  39. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    Do it. (New thread.)
     
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  40. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Initiate (111) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    I would be down for a belgian style as long as it is not sour. Pale, dubble, Tripple, Quad, all work for me.
     
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