Anyone ever used hefeweizen yeast for a wheatwine?

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Daemose, Feb 17, 2015.

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  1. Daemose

    Daemose Maven (1,407) Oct 3, 2011 Texas

    I'm thinking of doing this. I have some extra wyeast weihenstephaner laying around, but want to make something more weather appropriate than a hefe.
     
  2. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    That's called a weizenbock.
     
  3. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Yes I have done this. It works well. I called mine an imperial hefeweizen. Semantics. Essentially a barleywine with 50% wheat. I think mine clocked in at around 1.100 and finished pretty low for like 10.5% ABV. The clove and banana flavors were gone in a few months, which is about the same as you'd expect for any aged hefe, leaving just a very malty wheatwine.
     
  4. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    Are you stalking me? I was seriously investigating this same thing last week / weekend :stuck_out_tongue:

    From what I have read, @dmtaylor is on the money. I've seen it called a Double/Imperial Weizenbock, and the clove/banana apparently dissapates quite quickly.

    Trying to work out a good recipe atm
     
  5. Daemose

    Daemose Maven (1,407) Oct 3, 2011 Texas

    I might just do a hefe... lol.
     
  6. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Do you have a resource that discusses fading esters? I'd like to read up on it if you do. Cheers.
     
  7. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    Weather appropriate? You live in TX and its almost March. When it's ready your Hefeweizen will be weather appropriate.
     
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  8. Scumbag81

    Scumbag81 Initiate (0) Sep 10, 2014 California
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    Esters are formed via a condensation reaction between an acid and alcohol. The reverse reaction (hydrolysis) can be base or acid catalyzed; in a fairly low pH media like fermented beer, acid hydrolysis back into the alcohol and acid is more likely than base catalyzed hydrolysis. All this being said, kinetically (e.g. reaction rate) and in terms of completion I have no idea if the hydrolysis reaction occurs appreciably on the time scale our beer ages on, and whether or not it is ester dependent. I'd be curious to see a citation as well, as my experience with old hefeweizen or weizenbock is that the ester profile (isoamyl acetate) has been pretty stable (4-vinyl guiacol e.g. clove flavor is not an ester).

    EDIT: it looks like it is ester dependent (http://www.academicjournals.org/article/article1380728686_Hiralal et al.pdf)
     
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  9. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I don't know if there's any JZ-endorsed sources that I could site. Just my own experience and discussions I have had with many others.
     
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