Anything dark/roasted, but not overly sweet or overly bitter?

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  1. Joshio

    Joshio Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2016 Missouri

    I'm fairly new to the concept of "quality beer". When my partying days were over, I ended up just sticking to the same old stuff. For the past couple of years I've been trying new things and in the process I've gotten stuck on Samuel Adams Light, Shiner Bock, and Fat Tire. Neither of them are exactly what I'm after, but they're the best I've had so far. Sam Adams light is definitely my favorite of those.
    I've spent the last month researching online as opposed to buying/trying because I'm a cheap bastard. According to my research:
    -I lean strongly towards lagers
    -I despise fruity/citrusy/sour characteristics
    -what people describe as largely caramel-tasting often comes off as weird and sour to my tastebuds
    -I don't like sweetness unless there is enough bitterness to balance it out
    (on the other hand, I don't like strong, overly bitter stuff - IPA's literally make me gag)
    -I want straight-up beer, for drinking, not sipping - so I'm trying to stay away from stouts.

    Aside from beer, I'm a connoisseur of wheat bread, coffee, and bitter 80-90% dark chocolate. It seems only natural that my beer of choice would have coffee or dark chocolate characteristics.

    After reading about all the different styles, I decided to try a Dunkel today. I tried Hofbrau Dunkel. It was nice and mellow, very interesting, but it was (#1) way too sweet for my taste, (#2) it seemed bright-tasting (if that makes sense) --- I was expecting something more robust and dark/roasted/nutty, and (#3) it was weird not having any bitterness in the finish. Just because I don't like moderate-strong bitterness, it doesn't mean I don't want any at all!

    Anyway, I was planning on trying a Schwarzbier next. I found out that they are supposed to be more on the roasted side. But someone told me to try Irish Dry Stouts instead. My other friend told me to look for brown ales.

    Can any of you beer geniuses tell me what I'm after? 'Cuz I certainly don't know. So many of these beer styles sound so similar. Thanks in advance.
     
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  2. MaltheadWeirdo

    MaltheadWeirdo Devotee (310) Nov 18, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Bell's Porter is roasty without being heavy or bitter. I can't say the same for a lot of other porters however.

    Brown ales might fit your desires too. Some have more hops than others, so you might have to experiment til you find one that's at your preferred level of bitterness.

    For me, the perfect balance of sweet and bitter is a well-made doppelbock. (Troegenator is plentiful and fairly cheap where I live.) However, they're not roasted. I should also mention that while most of them aren't necessarily sipping beers, they're not exactly chugging beers! (The one that I do like to sip, even though it's actually lower alcohol content than many, is the one that's probably #1, Ayinger's Celebrator. The flavor is just that savory...)
     
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  3. MaltheadWeirdo

    MaltheadWeirdo Devotee (310) Nov 18, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Another tame porter, if you can get it, is Yuengling. Or their Black & Tan. Yuengling Lager is also richer than most lagers, richer than some people's Oktoberfests, almost as rich as some people's Bocks, and dirt cheap!
     
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  4. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    have you tried C.R.E.A.M. ?
     
  5. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    Best thing to do is to either
    A) find a bar that has flights, ask the bartender for recommendations and try some
    B) do a little research and find a store that does mix 6 and try some different beers
    I agree with @MaltheadWeirdo about the brown ales. Not a fan of them myself, but when I find one with coffee, man. Another good one is a Cream Ale, if you can find one with coffee, more the better, similar to Calm before the storm. Schwarzbier is another style that is pretty good. Since you have Shiner in Mizzou have you ever tried Shiner Black? Pils seem to be all the rage now and are clean crisp in taste, good luck finding your stepping stone and welcome to the site. Also here is a list of styles and their taste profiles Styles. Once you find a style that you like you can then look thru and find some of those that are accessible to your location. SeekABrew can help you find who distributes to your area, just click on your state
     
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  6. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Mild. A good one is simply gorgeous, a joy to drink and you just want another and another. Which you can have because it doesn't make you fall over.
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  7. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Yuengling Porter falls right in line with the Schwarzbier thoughts, so that would be a great place for the op to start. Either that or to run straight to Kostrizer, which seems to be exactly what they are looking for.
     
  8. readyski

    readyski Pooh-Bah (1,557) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    Guinness foreign export stout - a tasty Irish Dry Stout
     
  9. eldoctorador

    eldoctorador Pooh-Bah (2,096) Dec 12, 2014 Chile
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    A schwarz fits the bill I think.

    Some brown ales might too, but beware some are too sweet.

    Maybe some scotch ales might do it for you. Or a more hoppy than sweet Pilsner.

    Finally I bet you'll like Alaskan Amber.
     
  10. Hallu

    Hallu Zealot (526) Feb 2, 2016 France

    I would say either a doppelbock, like the Celebrator, which is not an overly sweet style. But if it still feels too sweet for your style, then you should try various English porters, like Fuller's or Harviestoun's old engine oil. English porters are generally less powerful than American porters which can be daunting. So it's a perfect introduction for you. If you want to stay away from sweet stouts, try Cadillac Mountain Stout by Bar Harbor. It's easily found in New England, dunno about Missouri though...

    As for bitterness, not all IPAs are very bitter. Try normal IPAs instead of imperial, and stay away from West Coast IPAs. I would go for a Zodiak Omnipollo or an AleSmith IPA. Lunch by Maine Beer isn't very bitter either, and very fruity.
     
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  11. CraigP83

    CraigP83 Initiate (0) Dec 19, 2014 Minnesota
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    Porter or Dry Stout for sure
     
  12. tillmac62

    tillmac62 Pooh-Bah (2,859) Oct 2, 2013 South Carolina
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    Stouts are made for straight up drinking as well, not all are imperials with 9+% alcohol. Since you like chocolate, I suggest you try Sam Smith's Organic Chocolate Stout - 5%ABV.
     
  13. Kadonny

    Kadonny Pooh-Bah (2,616) Sep 5, 2007 Florida
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    Porters for sure. Try Founders Porter, Great Laked Edmund Fitz, Deschutes Black Butte, Sierra Nevada Porter and any other low alcohol porter you can find.
     
  14. eppCOS

    eppCOS Grand Pooh-Bah (4,570) Jun 27, 2015 Colorado
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    Odell cutthroat porter should be on your to try list, too....
     
  15. nick0417

    nick0417 Initiate (0) Jun 13, 2014 Illinois

    Sounds to me like porters would be right up your alley - Deschuetes Black Butte and Great Lakes Edmund Fitzgerald, specifically. I'd also try New Belgium's 1554 or Brooklyn's Lager.

    Brown ales might also be a style you'd dig - Brooklyn's Brown is solid, as is Bell's Best Brown, with one of the best being New Glarus Fat Squirrel (if you can find it). I'd also consider some American ambers - Bell's Amber, Alaskan Amber, and New Belgium's Fat Tire.

    As you mentioned, schwarzbiers seem like a good way to go - check out Sprecher's Black Bavarian or Metropolitan's Magnetron.
     
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  16. Zonk

    Zonk Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2014 New Jersey

    Andechs Dunkel Weiss should fit the bill, as it sounds like doppelbocks might be sweet for you.
     
  17. WesMantooth

    WesMantooth Grand Pooh-Bah (4,844) Jan 8, 2014 Ohio
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    Tough one. I think you may be on the right track with the Schwarz. I can't think of any that I would really consider sweet. Several have a noticeable bitterness, and I think you will find the deep roasted flavor you are seeking. Too bad Sam Adams discontinued their Black Lager. The other best option is porters. They are typically 5-6% so you can drink a 6 pack, and full of deep roasted//charred/ashy malts and sometimes chocolate flavor.

    As others mentioned, some brown ales may suit you. Usually lower abv, and lots of chocolate flavor. Some are on the sweeter side though. You may have more consistent luck with American Stouts. Tons of them at 6% or less.

    A few specific beers I think I would recommend are
    Founders and Sierra Nevada Porter
    Rogue Chocolate Stout (5.8% abv)
    Brookyn Chocolate Stout would be a perfect fit if you were willing to look past the 10% abv
     
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  18. Hallu

    Hallu Zealot (526) Feb 2, 2016 France

    Brooklyn Chocolate Stout felt like a dry stout too. Nothing sweet there, this was pure bitter chocolate taste (from the roasted malt, no chocolate added).
     
  19. StArnoldFan

    StArnoldFan Pooh-Bah (1,879) Dec 28, 2012 Texas
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    Find a bottle shop that sells singles and get to tryin. Id suggest:
    Avery Ellie's Brown Ale
    Founders Porter or Odell Cutthroat Porter
    Ballast Point Calm Before The Storm (cream ale with coffee flavors)
     
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  20. akolb

    akolb Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2015 Colorado

    Odell Cutthroat
    Deschutes Black Butte
     
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