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Discussion in 'Beer News & Releases' started by ypsifly, Dec 5, 2018.
I'll keep my snide remarks to myself.
It's a shame. Can't say they were a favorite of mine, but there was enough decent ales on tap at the Battle Creek location to stop in after spending the day at the zoo. Food was good, too. 'Course, that location closed a while ago and I don't think I've had and Arcadia since.
Another one bites the dust...
Wow, $1,409,677 !!! The question is how far are they behind, and could a cash infusion save them?
For those of us who only know of Arcadia from their nationally distributed beers (I was a fan of Cereal Killer), and know nothing of their local presence, what was the knock on them?
There is a letter on the web page. You can draw your own conclusion.
Haven't bought beer from them since this, too many other great beers in this state without quality issues.
From the letter posted on the Arcadia website it appears they are looking for a "strategic partner". I wonder if ABV would be interested in buying them? Or maybe ABV is fully occupied after their recent acquisition of Sixpoint?
If you read through the thread @Punisher1976 posted, you'll see that they had a series of issues with infections with their barrel aged stuff and in response put up a lot of excuses and BS answers. My personal interactions with their brewery turned me off forever. Frankly, they may be looking for an infusion of cash, but an infusion of cash isn't going to fix their quality issues or their poor customer service.
Better/more useful info than the news source. Thanks!
Looks like the slowing of the rising tide is climing another of its early victims, with more on the horizon.
I’d guess too big a bite at this time.
or maybe dilly,dilly?
I wish I didn't post that thread that turned quickly into a shitshow. Was green on the site and didn't realize things would get stirred up so much. They were likely already struggling financially and panicked when they released what should be a money maker that didn't come out right.
I understand others may not feel bad, but I feel partially responsible for their fallen reputation on this site when that wasn't what I intended.
Compared to other threads regarding infections that one was pretty tame. Frankly I wouldn't feel bad. 1) You aren't the reason they are 1.4 million dollars in debt and 2) regardless if they're in debt or not, they release a bad product and then deny it, they will reap the consequences. Reputation is the most valuable thing a brewery has and once its damaged its incredibly hard to recover that. And finally, no offense, but I doubt a 3-page thread on BA has the reach to cause a widespread hit to their reputation.
Oh, I agree totally. I didn't think my thread took them down or anything. I just think of their workers (other than the idiot that was at the keyboard for their HR). I don't feel good that the thread resulted in a few people totally avoiding them, though it was mostly their own doing in the reasoning of their response.
I appreciate your response though, it does make me feel a bit better about it. Ultimately, it is their responsibility to put forward a good product and customer service as you said.
Bad beer that existed because it came out early in the rush and was produced in a relatively empty market. Not a loss to the world of beer. Might even be a benefit because it might make other brewers step their game up/potential brewers get their act really together before launching
They’ve been around a long time and despite missteps, it sucks to see a stalwart bite the dust. I seriously doubt that their financial troubles have anything to do with contaminated batches of barrel aged beers that equal <1% of total volume.
It’s the changing nature of craft beer, especially in an over-saturated state like MI.
So many old heads running these businesses like it’s still 2000 and god bless their souls, but sadly, if a Scottish Ale, and West Coast IPAs account for over half of your daily lineup in 2018, your days are numbered.
Adapt or die. The road for large and regional breweries is not easy and there is no map, but the ones that seem to consistently knock it out of the park (Sierra, Stone, Dogfish, Three Floyd’s, etc) are constantly trying new things. Creating AND following trends, and refusing to play is safe.
...oh, and they also have impeccable attention to QC and consistency.
They just voted legal weed in Michigan which starts today so i'm sure that's going to do more damage.
To what, the munchie supply? The smokers I know that enjoy beer, already enjoy both.
Bba cereal killer was one of the biggest "sleeper" beer a I've had all year. Shame it won't be around anymore.
I believe it has to do with disposable income. If you have X dollers to spend a week and you pick up a new hobby like Marijuana it will leave you with less to spend on beer.
Don't feel bad I salute you, their responses were horeshit responses that blamed customer palates instead of their lousy brewing fuck ups
I get that angle for sure. I just don't know if that many people are gonna start smoking now that it's legal that wouldn't have already done it before... I suppose it will eventually become more of a part of the market as commercial sales come into effect. We'll see what the true effect is in a year or so when the regulatory people figure things out and stores can sell.
to comment on the cannabis thing with craft beer, all of the early legalish states also have thriving craft beer scenes. Colorado, Washington, Oregon, California, now add michigan and vermont. I'm seeing positive correlation over negative
Massachusetts just finally opened their first two spots a couple years after making it legal. Lines have reportedly been over 2 hours long at both places, so people might have to make some hard decisions about Tree House vs. weed
I read that thread and the responses from whoever was representing the brewery came off like some kind of automatic reply robot. The exclamation points were annoying too. Just be real.
Or maybe Tree House will apply for a license to sell weed - a twofer!?!
Their expansion plans for the site are pretty elaborate, and at least one of the founders appears to be something of a deadhead, so you never know
I used to frequently have Arcadia IPA on tap at a local bar. Also I also loved their hop mixed twelve pack and drank them regularly. A few years back I would get this pack and the beers had floaties in them and tasted old. too bad as I used to enjoy them. Take care!
Today is D-Day for Arcadia, will it be pad locked and auctioned or will it be business as usual? My bet is business as usual.
We actually had their beers in the cold box and dry shelves of the local (Minneapolis / Saint Paul area) area for a time, and I recall them as being able to hold their own among brands from other Michigan or upper Midwest breweries.
But Bell’s, Founders, and so many others no doubt had to have been tough competition, not to mention the tremendous changes in the marketplace in the past fifteen years.
I'm glad they are still hanging in there. I bought a six of their IPA recently and really liked it. I wish I could find Angler's Ale or Thunder Trail ESB in the stores.
Looks like the auction was postponed:
Foreclosure sale adjourned for Arcadia Brewing Company in Kalamazoo
Update: The axe has fallen. The local news reports that the "property" has been sold to the mortgage-holding bank for $1. No further details have emerged to clarify what that means, but the brewery is still operating. Back taxes are still owed too for 2017.
I wondered what was going on. For a minute I didn't see Arcadia in the stores around here and suddenly there was fresh stuff everywhere for the last couple months. I can't say they're a favorite of mine, but I enjoyed visiting when I went to Battle Creek each summer.
Yeah, I used to be a fan of their beers when they were in BC, my hometown. I've come to realize that I'm not so much a fan anymore, but some that is probably sour grapes since they closed up shop here. I still like their BBQ and I go to the Kzoo location for that occasionally.
They should have called "Brewery Rescue".
Maybe someone did and the place will survive.
The latest media-reported update says a corporation that seems to be set up by the bank that now owns the property will operate the brewery part of the business (pending approval of licensing agencies), and another independent company will operate the food side of the business and turn it into a "full-service" restaurant. Contract brewing is mentioned as being in the plans so as to better utilize the brewery's capacity. Nothing is mentioned about Tim Suprise, the former owner, so I'm guessisng that he's out of the picture now.
Here's the article that I copied the M-Live link from Facebook:
That would be an excellent idea for a tv show. Imagine a Gordon Ramsey like character yelling at bad brewers ...