Arcadia Ales Kalamazoo Facing Foreclosure

Discussion in 'Beer News & Releases' started by ypsifly, Dec 5, 2018 at 3:46 PM.

  1. ypsifly

    ypsifly Meyvn (1,029) Sep 22, 2004 Michigan

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  2. FBarber

    FBarber Poo-Bah (2,448) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I'll keep my snide remarks to myself.
  3. Tripel_Threat

    Tripel_Threat Poo-Bah (2,163) Jun 29, 2014 Michigan
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    It's a shame. Can't say they were a favorite of mine, but there was enough decent ales on tap at the Battle Creek location to stop in after spending the day at the zoo. Food was good, too. 'Course, that location closed a while ago and I don't think I've had and Arcadia since.
  4. Alefflicted

    Alefflicted Initiate (77) Dec 2, 2017 Minnesota

    Another one bites the dust...
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  5. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Poo-Bah (10,332) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Wow, $1,409,677 !!! The question is how far are they behind, and could a cash infusion save them?
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  6. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Poo-Bah (5,298) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania

    For those of us who only know of Arcadia from their nationally distributed beers (I was a fan of Cereal Killer), and know nothing of their local presence, what was the knock on them?
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  7. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Meyvn (1,385) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

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  8. Punisher1976

    Punisher1976 Initiate (65) Jan 4, 2015 Michigan

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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (3,710) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    From the letter posted on the Arcadia website it appears they are looking for a "strategic partner". I wonder if ABV would be interested in buying them? Or maybe ABV is fully occupied after their recent acquisition of Sixpoint?

  10. FBarber

    FBarber Poo-Bah (2,448) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    If you read through the thread @Punisher1976 posted, you'll see that they had a series of issues with infections with their barrel aged stuff and in response put up a lot of excuses and BS answers. My personal interactions with their brewery turned me off forever. Frankly, they may be looking for an infusion of cash, but an infusion of cash isn't going to fix their quality issues or their poor customer service.
  11. drtth

    drtth Poo-Bah (3,647) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Better/more useful info than the news source. Thanks!

    Looks like the slowing of the rising tide is climing another of its early victims, with more on the horizon.
  12. drtth

    drtth Poo-Bah (3,647) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania

    I’d guess too big a bite at this time.
  13. Punisher1976

    Punisher1976 Initiate (65) Jan 4, 2015 Michigan


    or maybe dilly,dilly?
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  14. Lahey

    Lahey Disciple (385) Nov 12, 2016 Michigan

    I wish I didn't post that thread that turned quickly into a shitshow. Was green on the site and didn't realize things would get stirred up so much. They were likely already struggling financially and panicked when they released what should be a money maker that didn't come out right.

    I understand others may not feel bad, but I feel partially responsible for their fallen reputation on this site when that wasn't what I intended.
  15. FBarber

    FBarber Poo-Bah (2,448) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Compared to other threads regarding infections that one was pretty tame. Frankly I wouldn't feel bad. 1) You aren't the reason they are 1.4 million dollars in debt and 2) regardless if they're in debt or not, they release a bad product and then deny it, they will reap the consequences. Reputation is the most valuable thing a brewery has and once its damaged its incredibly hard to recover that. And finally, no offense, but I doubt a 3-page thread on BA has the reach to cause a widespread hit to their reputation. :wink:
  16. Lahey

    Lahey Disciple (385) Nov 12, 2016 Michigan

    Oh, I agree totally. I didn't think my thread took them down or anything. I just think of their workers (other than the idiot that was at the keyboard for their HR). I don't feel good that the thread resulted in a few people totally avoiding them, though it was mostly their own doing in the reasoning of their response.

    I appreciate your response though, it does make me feel a bit better about it. Ultimately, it is their responsibility to put forward a good product and customer service as you said.
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  17. stevepat

    stevepat Disciple (357) Mar 12, 2013 California

    Bad beer that existed because it came out early in the rush and was produced in a relatively empty market. Not a loss to the world of beer. Might even be a benefit because it might make other brewers step their game up/potential brewers get their act really together before launching
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  18. JohnnyChicago

    JohnnyChicago Crusader (795) Sep 3, 2010 Illinois

    They’ve been around a long time and despite missteps, it sucks to see a stalwart bite the dust. I seriously doubt that their financial troubles have anything to do with contaminated batches of barrel aged beers that equal <1% of total volume.
    It’s the changing nature of craft beer, especially in an over-saturated state like MI.

    So many old heads running these businesses like it’s still 2000 and god bless their souls, but sadly, if a Scottish Ale, and West Coast IPAs account for over half of your daily lineup in 2018, your days are numbered.

    Adapt or die. The road for large and regional breweries is not easy and there is no map, but the ones that seem to consistently knock it out of the park (Sierra, Stone, Dogfish, Three Floyd’s, etc) are constantly trying new things. Creating AND following trends, and refusing to play is safe.
    ...oh, and they also have impeccable attention to QC and consistency.
  19. Brewday

    Brewday Initiate (119) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    They just voted legal weed in Michigan which starts today so i'm sure that's going to do more damage.
  20. Lahey

    Lahey Disciple (385) Nov 12, 2016 Michigan

    To what, the munchie supply? The smokers I know that enjoy beer, already enjoy both.
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  21. rypkr

    rypkr Champion (841) Nov 19, 2011 Pennsylvania

    Bba cereal killer was one of the biggest "sleeper" beer a I've had all year. Shame it won't be around anymore.
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  22. FatBoyGotSwagger

    FatBoyGotSwagger Meyvn (1,115) Apr 4, 2009 Pennsylvania

    I believe it has to do with disposable income. If you have X dollers to spend a week and you pick up a new hobby like Marijuana it will leave you with less to spend on beer.
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  23. BenHoppy

    BenHoppy Zealot (519) Nov 15, 2017 Michigan

    Don't feel bad I salute you, their responses were horeshit responses that blamed customer palates instead of their lousy brewing fuck ups
  24. Lahey

    Lahey Disciple (385) Nov 12, 2016 Michigan

    I get that angle for sure. I just don't know if that many people are gonna start smoking now that it's legal that wouldn't have already done it before... I suppose it will eventually become more of a part of the market as commercial sales come into effect. We'll see what the true effect is in a year or so when the regulatory people figure things out and stores can sell.
  25. stevepat

    stevepat Disciple (357) Mar 12, 2013 California

    to comment on the cannabis thing with craft beer, all of the early legalish states also have thriving craft beer scenes. Colorado, Washington, Oregon, California, now add michigan and vermont. I'm seeing positive correlation over negative
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  26. meefmoff

    meefmoff Zealot (538) Jul 6, 2014 Massachusetts

    Massachusetts just finally opened their first two spots a couple years after making it legal. Lines have reportedly been over 2 hours long at both places, so people might have to make some hard decisions about Tree House vs. weed :slight_smile:
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  27. guinness77

    guinness77 Savant (933) Jan 6, 2014 New York

    I read that thread and the responses from whoever was representing the brewery came off like some kind of automatic reply robot. The exclamation points were annoying too. Just be real.
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  28. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (3,710) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    Or maybe Tree House will apply for a license to sell weed - a twofer!?!:stuck_out_tongue: