Are Bittering Hops Over?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by sjverla, Jan 12, 2018.

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  1. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    Several times over the last couple months I've ordered some new local beer, expecting the fashionable cloudy, fruity beverage that everyone's making now. And I got exactly what I expected.

    What I didn't expect was a complete lack of bitterness. These were malt smoothies, and frankly, kind of gross.

    I understand the concept of hop bursting, and it's a technique I've used myself, but managed to impart some bitterness that cut the malt and balanced the flavor. The fact that I've now experienced this multiple times has me wondering if people are moving away from the concept of bitterness and balance entirely.

    Is this actually what people want, or are these just poorly made beers?
     
  2. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    The use of bittering hops isn't over, but there is definitely a growing popularity of beers without a lot of bitterness. The trend has been growing fairly rapidly the last few years amongst brewers since that appears to be what many of their customers want/prefer.
     
  3. JFresh21

    JFresh21 Savant (1,036) Mar 6, 2012 Illinois
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    One of my local beers that is regarded as the top NE IPA in the area has literally no bitterness. So yes, many people like it. I prefer some bitterness or else the drinking experience gets boring fast. Luckily, beer is a huge market so we find all of the above.
     
  4. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    No. There are more styles out there than NEIPA.
     
  5. thebeers

    thebeers Grand Pooh-Bah (5,837) Sep 10, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    A lot of the best NEIPAs are quite bitter. And West Coast IPAs aren't going anywhere either.

    If we want to talk lack of bitterness, how's about some of these flavored imperial stouts that are so popular these days?
     
  6. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    The NYC variants seem to feature bitterness, so it's actually rare for me to come across the non bitter variety. Good thing for me, too, because that was totally not my thing.

    There's always other styles, too. Thank God for Pilsners!
     
  7. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    When I first switched to beer from wine, the NEIPA probably would have been right up my alley, couldn't take the IPA bitterness, and really found blondes overly bitter. Now I find drinking the NEIPA style with super low bitterness kinda one and done. I look forward to the bite at the end that resets the palette.
     
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  8. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    When I drink a NEIPA I don't want the bitterness because it tastes like I'm drinking pure orange peel, and I don't want that.
     
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  9. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Yes. :grin:
     
  10. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Interesting. We have a fairly long-standing thread going in the Midwest forum about MN-brewed NEIPAs, where several of the beers are criticized as not being NEIPAs due to having bittering present.
     
  11. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    I agree with this. Caveat: my exposure to "NEIPAs" is limited to the MN-brewed wannabes, not the "real" one from, you know, New England!...

    However, the beers here that get a lot of raves I find to be one and done, at least for the evening. It is not exactly lack of bittering, more like a citrus acidity that becomes just unpleasant well before the second beer is finished. For me, anyway. YMMV.

    Maybe that is what @Mothergoose03 was calling "pure orange peel"...
     
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  12. Moradin

    Moradin Initiate (0) Jul 7, 2016 New York

    What got me into Craft was the bitter west coast IPA, and yes, I had a fling for NEIPA (who didn't?) but them I got sick of them and now i consider a16oz can impossible to finish. But sadly it became equally hard for me to find new West-coast-triple-digit-IBU beer.
    So with time I abandoned the IPA path more and more, and I'm glad I did, because I know way better all the other styles of beer that before were just a one off from my IPA/Stout diet.

    so, to answer the question, bittering hops are not completely over, they are not as cool as they were years ago, so they show up less and less in beer
     
  13. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    If they're not making a balanced end product, I would consider them to be poorly made.

    As you are referencing IPAs, then, yes, huge bittering/boil additions are a thing of the past and that's not necessarily a bad thing as IBUs aren't the only thing that imparts bitterness to a beer. I, personally, don't use any hops during the boil and my IPAs are plenty bitter from whirlpool and dry hop additions.
     
  14. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Hudson Valley Brewery is balancing all late addition hops with sour in some of their very popular beers, and it works amazingly well.

    I like all IPA variations, though, and no problem finding all the variations one's heart desires, bitter to not bitter, around here.
     
  15. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    I don't think that's a deal breaker; they seem to be all about the mouthfeel and substantial dry hopping more than anything else.
    They are one and done for me, too, but it's more the total absence of complexity. I think of them as a half-pint joy ride, and that's about it.
     
  16. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    I hope not. I happen to like the taste of at least two bittering hops . Chinook and willamette off the top of my head.
     
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  17. PatrickCT

    PatrickCT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,776) Feb 18, 2015 Connecticut

    Yes. To both.
     
  18. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    Those are two of my favorite "flavoring" hops!

    Chinook is, to me, the perfect bridge between the older-style bitterness and new-craze fruitiness. It's been a couple years since my last brew day, but it was a Chinook-heavy Imperial Red, and those hops brought a TON of pine and mango. It was more pine though, which I prefer.

    Responses so far have alleviated some of my concern about the future of brewing in the US. I've often been one to decry the increasing ubiquity of fruit-forward IPAs, and I've been off the forums for a while, but it seems like things might be moderating; not that demand for Hawaiian Punch is decreasing, but demand for variety is increasing.

    And I'm not all that interested in returning to the IBU arms race of the early 2000s, but it sucks watching the pendulum swing so far in one direction. Getting older is hard.
     
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  19. Leebo

    Leebo Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 Massachusetts

    I need more bitterness in my life. Really. Not a fan of the really soft, oj, ipas. At all. I drink a fair amount of Sierra Nevada.
     
  20. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I don't think the demand for variety went anywhere. Educated beer consumers have always wanted variety. It's the new breed of obsessed beer geek that only wants hazy IPAs and pastry stouts.
     
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