Are high ABV beers better on tap?

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  1. Beertsipper

    Beertsipper Pooh-Bah (1,707) Nov 18, 2008 New York
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    I've never had a stout, or any other style with such a high ABV on tap. This weekend, I'll be in a bar that is serving Founder's Devil Dancer on draft with 10 ounce pours. Are these beers better enjoyed with age on them? Or is the draft version different in a good or bad way? OR.... is there some age on the keg that is being tapped? I've had Devil Dancer from the bottle and it was 4 months old. Tasted like green onions and was a malt bomb. Not bad, but I'm curious as to what the draft pour will taste like, as a comparison.
     
  2. raynmoon

    raynmoon Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado

    No experience with Devil Dancer, but kegs seem to do a better job of aging (lack of oxidation). Also having the beer from the tap always seem to be a more enjoyable experience.
     
  3. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    In general, I've had plenty of higher ABV beers on tap, and haven't noticed any difference.

    For Devil Dancer in particular, I had on tap at the Founders brewery fresh. I've also drank a 1 year old bottle side by side with a fresh bottle, and preferred the aged bottle (this was back in 2011). I thought the aroma was more like weed, not onions.
     
  4. paulys55

    paulys55 Initiate (0) Aug 2, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Can you give a reference for this? I'm not disputing this or trying to argue, just want to know where you heard this. I realize that the surface area to volume ratio in a keg is much less so that may partially explain it but is the ball seal on a keg that much better than a bottle cap?
     
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  5. raynmoon

    raynmoon Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado

    i have no proof. I know nothing about the ball seels on kegs. I mostly referring to the light that gets into the beer bottles. Kegs are also pressurized. Maybe that has something to do with it as well.
     
  6. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    Everything is always better on tap. Don't know why, just know I'm right.
     
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  7. paulys55

    paulys55 Initiate (0) Aug 2, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Well, light has nothing to do with oxidation but zero light is a plus.
     
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  8. EvilMidnightBomber

    EvilMidnightBomber Initiate (0) Feb 12, 2015 Wisconsin

    I've had several big stouts both in the bottle and on tap, and anecdotally on tap tastes better. That said, I think I get more enjoyment out of sipping a big beer over a long period of time, noting the changes as it warms up,etc. Can't always do that at a bar or over dinner.
     
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  9. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    As @paulys55 says, light struck is different from oxidation.

    I have no proof of this, but my perception is similar to @paulys55 that kegs have less surface area to volume; but also kegs are usually stored refrigerated throughout their life cycle. Continuous cold storage for bottle/cans is unreliable, to say the least.

    I would also like to know what if any differences there are in freshness [i.e. oxidation/staling] for a keg vs bottle/can. I am paging some people who might have more technical answers to this... @jesskidden @Peter_Wolfe @hopfenunmaltz, @Starkbier, @bulletrain76
     
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  10. pat61

    pat61 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2010 Minnesota

    I have found that certain bottle conditioned Belgians taste better from the bottle than on tap. I can't imagine that a brewery would tie a keg up long enough to impact the age of the beer. They want to turn them over fast. After its tapped even with the bar gas kegs can go off over time. Most British ales taste better on tap and anything that benefits from being fresh will too. Old ales, Barleywines, sours and wild ales often improve with in the bottle with age. With sours and wild ales I have had issues with them exploding every now and then after a few years Hahn that is a sad, sad thing.
     
  11. spacecake9

    spacecake9 Pooh-Bah (2,202) Apr 26, 2014 Illinois
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    High ABV beers are better in my mouth.
     
  12. Beeramemnon

    Beeramemnon Initiate (0) Sep 26, 2015 Georgia

    Kegs preserve beer better than bottles, and a lot of people prefer beer on tap. Low abv beer almost always tastes better fresh. Many reasons.

    But to directly answer the question, it has nothing to do with abv.

    Given any two pours of the same beer in a bottle vs. a keg that are the same age, it only comes down to personal preference. There is nothing special about high abv beers that make one package taste better than the other.
     
  13. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    Maybe. Needs additional research. I'll get right on it. Thanx for the excuse.
     
  14. Hendrick24

    Hendrick24 Pooh-Bah (1,949) Sep 6, 2013 Wisconsin
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    Kegs are also completely purged with CO2, bottles are not. If the seal on a keg leaked, you'd lose CO2 but not let O2 in (unless you ran your tank empty).

    Some of the bigger craft breweries (i.e. Sierra Nevada) do have very advanced bottling lines that limit O2 ingress to negligible levels.
     
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  15. Scarfer_Brad

    Scarfer_Brad Initiate (0) Mar 19, 2014 Florida
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    Had KBS on tap and I would drive 100 miles again to get it on tap.. liked it a lot more than in a bottle and i fckn loved it in a bottle
     
  16. Peter_Wolfe

    Peter_Wolfe Initiate (0) Jul 5, 2013 Oregon

    The biggest factor is definitely the cold storage. Given that the packaging lines are modern and running well, the initial headspace O2 in bottles and cans is extremely low (and virtually nonexistent in kegs since they are purgeable pressure vessels). It's still enough to have an influence certainly, but the effect of storage temperature is a much larger factor. Kegs are generally stored cold for their entire lifetime, and that unfortunately isn't the case with bottles and cans.

    ABV does have a moderating effect on staling rate, but all things being equal (very low O2, kept cold throughout lifespan) I wouldn't expect a high ABV beer to taste inherently better on draft relative to a bottle.
     
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  17. deleted_user_950283

    deleted_user_950283 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2015
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    usually I like aging big beers, the anticipation leads to extra enjoyment
     
  18. tillmac62

    tillmac62 Pooh-Bah (2,859) Oct 2, 2013 South Carolina
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    Exactly. It's how it's stored, rather than what it's stored in, for the most part.
     
  19. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Thank you!

    @paulys55, @raynmoon See above.
     
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  20. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    Most beers are better on tap regardless of ABV.
     
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