Are these actually two different beers?

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  1. Sneers

    Sneers Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2009 Pennsylvania

    #1 Sneers, May 7, 2012
  2. DSlim71

    DSlim71 Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2010 New Jersey

    My only guess would be this "In 2011 the recipe was altered to bump the IBU’s from 55 to 70; ABV also increased from 6.4% to 7.0%" It also looks like they are calling it a Red IPA now instead of a Red Ale.
     
    #2 DSlim71, May 7, 2012
  3. FosterJM

    FosterJM Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2009 California

    #3 FosterJM, May 8, 2012
  4. Sneers

    Sneers Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2009 Pennsylvania

    That's what I thought, too, as the first review for the new one was in Nov. '11, but people have been reviewing the old one since then. To me it seems like when they made the changes, one person submitted the changes to the original listing, and someone else created a whole new listing, such that news reviews of each are actually reviews of the same beer (assuming, of course, that people aren't reviewing 6+ month old bottles).
     
    #4 Sneers, May 8, 2012
  5. UncleJimbo

    UncleJimbo Grand Pooh-Bah (3,771) Sep 11, 2002 Massachusetts
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    There has been a change request (duplicate listing) in for months now. Only The Bros. can deal with duplicate beers, so it awaits their time to work on it.
     
    #5 UncleJimbo, May 8, 2012
  6. Sneers

    Sneers Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Ah. Thanks.
     
    #6 Sneers, May 8, 2012
  7. Agold

    Agold Maven (1,287) Mar 13, 2010 Pennsylvania

    By the way, while we are on the topic of duplicates, how come old guardian has a new entry every year?
     
    #7 Agold, May 8, 2012
  8. dvelcich

    dvelcich Zealot (646) Feb 6, 2008 Illinois
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    I've wondered that too. My only guess, since there doesn't appear to be a recipe change from year to year, is that no one flags it for the mods to consider.
     
    #8 dvelcich, May 8, 2012
  9. UncleJimbo

    UncleJimbo Grand Pooh-Bah (3,771) Sep 11, 2002 Massachusetts
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    I don't know. Most likely at some point someone thought the recipe varied from year to year. The ABV certainly varies, but that is true for many beers which do not get a new listing each year.
     
    #9 UncleJimbo, May 8, 2012
  10. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    greg koch has said on BA that they tweak the recipe of stone IRS every year too (not that i've ever noticed this when drinking it). i'd guess the same is true of old guardian. as you point out though, whether or not this merits a new listing seems to vary by beer for some reason.

    it's a pretty... hard to decide question, really. batch consistency varies a lot among breweries, whether they change the recipe or not. i can't imagine a set rule that really works. would be stupid to lump together widely varying recipes b/c you want to be consistent, or to separate every beer into useless listings because there's tiny batch variance.
     
    #10 Pahn, May 8, 2012
  11. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    I lean towards not listing year by year if the recipe is only tweaked/changes and go for new listings, obviously, if the style changes, which happens on occasion. Please, don't ask me to give you an example...:rolling_eyes:
     
    #11 Bitterbill, May 8, 2012
  12. Gmann

    Gmann Pooh-Bah (2,463) Aug 13, 2006 New York
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    Our Special Ale is the one I can think of
     
    #12 Gmann, May 13, 2012
  13. UncleJimbo

    UncleJimbo Grand Pooh-Bah (3,771) Sep 11, 2002 Massachusetts
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    Sixpoint Apollo is a very recent example of a beer changing recipe and style but keeping the same name. So, it got a new listing.
     
    #13 UncleJimbo, May 13, 2012
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