Arrogant Bastard isn't an IPA?

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  1. Haydn-Juby

    Haydn-Juby Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2012 Vermont

    I'm having it for the first time tonight, as I don't get much access to American craft, and I always thought it was an IPA. It didn't seem that much like one when took my first sip and I noticed BA labelled it as a Strong Ale. Nonetheless I like the beer but I always thought it was an IPA. huh.
     
    #1 Haydn-Juby, Oct 25, 2013
  2. spicoli00

    spicoli00 Pooh-Bah (2,305) Jul 6, 2005 Indiana
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    It's the aggressiveness
     
    #2 spicoli00, Oct 25, 2013
  3. bennetj17

    bennetj17 Pooh-Bah (1,790) Oct 30, 2005 Arizona
    Pooh-Bah

    Much too sweet...
     
    #3 bennetj17, Oct 25, 2013
  4. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    ALL beers are IPAs.
    Aren't they?
     
    #4 jmw, Oct 25, 2013
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  5. JDM44

    JDM44 Initiate (0) Mar 11, 2013 Texas

    It is quite doubtful that you have the taste or sophistication to be able to appreciate an ale of this quality and depth.
     
    #5 JDM44, Oct 25, 2013
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  6. TheMonkfish

    TheMonkfish Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2012 Chad

    It's the malts. I really like most Stone offerings, but this one does nothing for me (it's my palate, I'm sure.)

    I guess I am not worthy. devil horns. marketing. awesome.
     
    #6 TheMonkfish, Oct 25, 2013
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  7. Jtc2811

    Jtc2811 Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2011 California

    What about smoked porter and Russian imperial stout?
     
    #7 Jtc2811, Oct 25, 2013
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  8. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    Session Black RauchIPA
    Double Baltic BIPA
     
    #8 jmw, Oct 25, 2013
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  9. TheMultiYeast

    TheMultiYeast Initiate (0) Oct 11, 2011 Vermont

    Nope, not an IPA. But now you know you like "American Strong Ales." Which have always been somewhere between an IPA and a Barley Wine for me. A style well worth exploring. Cheers.
     
    #9 TheMultiYeast, Oct 25, 2013
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  10. DarkDragon999

    DarkDragon999 Maven (1,331) Feb 13, 2013 Rhode Island

    Yeah and it tastes more like a Barley Wine than an IPA to me.
     
    #10 DarkDragon999, Oct 25, 2013
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  11. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Exactly. So I guess its an iperial red ipa?
     
    #11 SFACRKnight, Oct 25, 2013
  12. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    If at all possible, try to find some Great Lakes Nosferatu. Out seasonally right now but not for long, this one fits the strong ale category no matter what they changed the label to say.
     
    #12 jmw, Oct 25, 2013
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  13. Haydn-Juby

    Haydn-Juby Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2012 Vermont


    I was not opposed to American strong ales previously and I have had some examples I thoroughly enjoyed. Arrogant Bastard was by far the best I've had to though. I was just expecting an IPA.

    I just wish I could have had it fresher as I passed the "enjoy by" date by 3 months. I can assume the hop aroma and overall hop presence would have been much nicer when fresher.
     
    #13 Haydn-Juby, Oct 25, 2013
  14. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    This beer does not rely on fragile hop aroma and flavor for it's strength. Not an IPA. Judge it by appropriate merits.
     
    #14 jmw, Oct 25, 2013
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  15. mactrail

    mactrail Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,999) Mar 24, 2009 Washington
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    If you look through the list of American Strong Ales, this would be an outlier for hoppiness. If the whole point is astounding excess of bitter hops, then why wouldn't it be an IPA?
     
    #15 mactrail, Oct 25, 2013
  16. Haydn-Juby

    Haydn-Juby Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2012 Vermont


    Stone still did feel the need to include a "Enjoy by" so I'm assuming it was best to drink the beer by then and I didn't. I'm keying in that my version of the beer didn't taste how Stone intended which is disappointing but it still tasted great.
     
    #16 Haydn-Juby, Oct 25, 2013
  17. Tballz420

    Tballz420 Initiate (0) Mar 4, 2003 Minnesota

    Stone is one of the leading innovators of American IPAs, but they can also play a tune in some other keys like Barleywine, Imperial Stout and "strong ale"
     
    #17 Tballz420, Oct 25, 2013
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  18. afrokaze

    afrokaze Pooh-Bah (1,962) Jun 12, 2009 Oregon
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    I wouldn't call it "pale", so no, I guess it's not technically an IPA. American Strong Ale is such a vague style though, perhaps more so than IPA; would you put AB and Older Viscosity in the same category? I rest my case.
     
    #18 afrokaze, Oct 25, 2013
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  19. RobertColianni

    RobertColianni Pooh-Bah (1,789) Nov 4, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    You, sir, are a monster.
     
    #19 RobertColianni, Oct 25, 2013
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  20. Hefewiseman

    Hefewiseman Pundit (968) Sep 6, 2011 Florida
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    IPAs under the alias of said styles.
     
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