Aussie Imperial Stout Recommendations / US Availability?

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  1. BCurious

    BCurious Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2017 Australia

    Hi, I'm a Beer Advocate virgin. I recently acquired a taste for US imperial stouts, after trying AleSmith Speedway and Founders. SO hit the spot! Is there anything brewed here that can compare? And secondly, what other US brews would people recommend? Are they available here, or must I emigrate?
     
  2. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    IMHO one of the best Australian RIS is the Nail - Clout Stout (https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/2569/65368/). It's nothing over-the-top or barrel aged or anything, but just perfectly balanced.

    Feral - Boris RIS is pretty good (https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/9139/49716/).

    Murray's Wild Thing is also apparently good, but I haven't personally tried it (https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/12897/45919/).

    Boatrocker - RAMJET is a whiskey-barrel aged stout with reviews saying one of the best that Aus does.(https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/21964/104340/).

    If you like licking ash-trays, you should try Moon Dog's Black Lung series of RIS.

    also look at 8 Wired, although from NZ, they do a nice stout as well.
     
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  3. BCurious

    BCurious Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2017 Australia

    Thanks machalel,
    That's a good list. I will pursue. Since asking I also learned by personal experience: Cavalier RIS is a dark double IPA masquerading as a RIS - don't bother - and NZ beer Keraru Black Ruby is really good. Well balanced and intriguing raspberry aftertaste (if that's the word).
    If anyone also has any US brews to recommend I will be most grateful. BC
     
  4. BCurious

    BCurious Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2017 Australia

    PS - licking ashtrays not my thing, but makes me think: how long until someone names a beer "Bong Water"?
     
  5. Twinathon

    Twinathon Initiate (0) May 1, 2013 Australia

    A couple Victorian RIS' that I enjoy:

    Cavalier Imperial Stout - closer to the traditional English approach to imperial stouts, I think this is an underrated beer.

    Mornington Peninsula Imperial Stout - Classic American Imperial Stout, has a noticeable hop character without intruding on the rich roasted character, one of my favourites.
     
  6. BCurious

    BCurious Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2017 Australia

    I like them big, syrupy and malty, not too hoppy. So it's just taste, but for me Cavalier was too thin and bitter. The best I've had so far are Hawkers' 2016 RIS, Bad Shepherd's RIS and Boatrocker's Ramjet. I'm very much looking forward to trying Murray's, Moon Dog's and Nail's brews, from machalel's list. They look US inspired... if the artwork's anything to go by!
     
  7. Benjo87

    Benjo87 Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2014 Australia

    Riverside brewing company - black peril. Really good aussie imperial stout.

    Are you in sydney? There are so many world class stouts from the world available now. Omnipollo has come to Aus recently and is fucking amazing!
     
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  8. BCurious

    BCurious Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2017 Australia

    Based in Melbourne. Riverside don't list any Melbourne outlets. (But many Sydney ones. Strange!). Will try to track down Omnipollo. Sweden contract brewers. Intriguing. Cheers for the recommend. :slight_smile:
     
  9. Gasc0igne

    Gasc0igne Savant (1,109) Oct 6, 2013 Australia

    The local brewers are only now (very few exceptions) starting to release/invest time in to "serious" big Imperial Stouts - BBA etc. I still say the vast majority available at the moment are barely a shadow of what is made overseas; until Aussie consumers desire the expertly crafted big stouts enough to make it worth a brewers time, we're going to get generic junk like Hawkers BBA or any of the awful ~6-7% "Imperial Stouts" that come out every few weeks...

    Boatrocker is worth it, as are some vintages of Clout Stout, as is Mornington's Imperial Stout, and as is Mountain Goat's Barrel Breed. Murray's various Wild Things are very inconsistent, but I've loved some in the past.

    Honestly, stick with Founders Imperial & Breakfast Stouts, Ten FIDY & Speedway cans, Peche Mortel, Samuel Smiths Oatmeal etcetera until we have something worthwhile.
     
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  10. Twinathon

    Twinathon Initiate (0) May 1, 2013 Australia

    Good comments. I was disappointed with both of Hawker's imperial stouts. The regular version was an obercarbonated mess that did not hit any of the right notes for a stout. The BBA tasted like overboiled brewers wort with a splash of bourbon in it. So disappointing.

    The biggest problem with local stouts is no clarity of flavour. The great American and English stouts have separate flavours that progress through the palate while working with each other. Narwhal, Ten Fidy, FIS, Yeti and Speedway all excel at this in their own unique way.

    Bad local attempts either taste like a heavy black beer smothered by alcohol and roast or they're too thin and are tasteless.

    As Gasc0igne noted there are some exceptions, so hunt these down. In the mean time buy a 4 pack of Narwhal to satisfy your dark cravings. There's usually tons of it shelf turding around. Unbelievable considering the quality of the beer.
     
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  11. sinkas

    sinkas Initiate (0) Jul 9, 2008 Australia

    I was shocked at how bad the recent " beer of show" was at the Perth Royal Beer show,
    it was a WBA RIS from Margaret river Brewhouse,
    it was horrid, but still got the gong
     
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  12. Gasc0igne

    Gasc0igne Savant (1,109) Oct 6, 2013 Australia


    Beautifully put! I can't believe I forgot Narwhal.

    In the vein of shelf turds - it's amazing the top quality imports sit on shelves at ~$8-$12/bottle while the local ashy, flat, and singular stouts are popular(?) enough to continue being made at such a high rate.

    Just go on Untappd and go through the reviews of many bad Aussie stouts and you'll see that many have almost 4/5 stars....this mindset needs to change before quality will improve.
     
  13. hawthorne00

    hawthorne00 Devotee (331) Nov 23, 2010 Australia

    Seems that people are setting the bar for locals too high if only a handful come up to things like Peche Mortel, Narwhal, Ten Fidy, FIS, Yeti and Speedway. They are some of the best regarded fairly easy to get Nth American big stouts. (According to sites such as this - a couple I don't really care for.)

    Anyway, Riverside Black Peril in Melbourne I think I've seen at Acland, Otter's Promise, Slowbeer, Blackheart's and Purvis Richmond.
     
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  14. Gasc0igne

    Gasc0igne Savant (1,109) Oct 6, 2013 Australia

    The suggestions/comparisons put forward earlier were simply to show what is out there - brews easily accessible and fairly cheap that scream quality. I'm fully aware there are awful imports, but those don't usually stick around long (why go to the effort to bring in something that sells poorly or isn't generally liked?). Comparatively, distribution and longevity of very poor local brews is unbelievably strong - for some reason people are content with essentially static quality.

    When I approach a new stout (local or otherwise) I try to carry as few biases in to it as I can. I've always felt that the vast majority I've had in the past have been very lackluster, even when I was starting out I was unimpressed!

    It's also fun to take a heavy position in the forums, gets more people out and replying.

    P.S. Pretend Brewdog doesn't exist :wink:
     
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  15. Benjo87

    Benjo87 Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2014 Australia

    I just bought a couple of aussie imperial stouts. Murrays wild thing vanilla, and colonial stout from WA. Will let you know how they are.
     
  16. BCurious

    BCurious Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2017 Australia

    Great conversation, thanks!
    Have tried Ten Fiddy and thought it was close to perfection. Narwhal I had some time ago. Can recall it was not the concentrated malty licorice hit I'm into, but will try again, now that I'm a bit better acquainted with the style.
    Speaking of Aussie brews... Can hear you, but have you tried Edge Brewing Project's Stagger Lee imperial stout? OMG! Aussie hops, 90 IBUs and not a trace of unpleasant bitterness. Restrained additions of wattle seed and coconut. Nothing overpowering - all working together. God knows what they doing, but they're doing something right!
     
  17. mulder1010

    mulder1010 Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2008 Australia

    Colonial Inquest is pretty badass but it is very English. Lots and lots of dark fruits and little bitterness with it spending 8 weeks in tanks.
    The poster commented on how much he loved ten fidy but that is a hop bomb. Then again at this point it should have mellowed nicely over the last few months.
    If you can find any of the Rocks Brewing RIS from last year that was excellent. not a fan of any Rocks beers but that was stunning.
    From what I have seen in Sydney this year it is either an Imperial stout, or a under 6% stout this year. Not a lot of the 7-8% stouts besides the Pirate Life stout. Go figure.
     
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  18. Benjo87

    Benjo87 Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2014 Australia



    Pick this up if you can find it. Around $37 a can, but its 5.8 standard drinks, and so worth it. Had this a few months ago and was just absolutely blown away with it. Probably the best stout ive ever had.
     
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  19. Benjo87

    Benjo87 Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2014 Australia

    By the way, was anyone else disappointed with pirate lifes stout? I love their ipas but i thought the stout was a big let down. Way too hoppy. Didn't get any chocolatey coffee flavours at all.
     
  20. BCurious

    BCurious Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2017 Australia

    OK, I'm prepared to take some flack here but I'm wondering: Does anyone else have a problem with bottle and can sizes? And I don't mean too small, I mean too big. I really love high-ABV beers but, except on rare occasions, I don't want to get drunk!
    (And yes, bottle stoppers, I know. But they're about a 30% satisfactory solution IMO (for reasons too numerous to go into now).)
     
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