Automatic grain mill

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Jasont33, Oct 17, 2019.

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Would you want this at home?

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  2. No

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  3. Maybe

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  1. Jasont33

    Jasont33 Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2019

    Hi guys,


    We are a small group of homebrewers who have been working on developing a grain mill for the past couple years during our free time. My friend is an engineer, and when he got into homebrewing he decided to build an automatic grain mill for us to use since there are no LHBS located near us, and we didn't have a basement or much space in our homes to set up an electric drill powered grain mill (and also our wives were not very keen on the idea). We have been just sharing this among ourselves for a couple years now, and it works great so far. It's really portable, so we also just take turns having it over in our homes. Here is a picture of our old prototype from a while back.





    What do you guys think of this? It's all stainless steel to prevent rusting. The grain falls out the back instead of the bottom cuz we usually place it on a countertop instead of a cart. You can also control the mill gap and speed. (The iron valve wheel on the side controls the mill gap, and the knob on the control board is for speed adjustment.) Any thoughts?
     
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  2. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    Looks great but i couldn't use it because i mill directly into the mash tun. I think these would sell for a decent price.
     
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  3. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    It does look great. One of you is a good fabricator.

    As usual saleability will depend on price.
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I have several thoughts about this that I'll keep to myself for now. Please post a video link of this thing in action.
     
  5. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    All depends on pricing, but definitely interested!
     
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  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Looks like OP may have abandoned the thread, so I'm no longer hoping for a video. Here are my thoughts.

    - It's hard to tell the size, but the hopper looks very small, able to hold a pound or two at most?
    - Why would a mill gap adjustment knob go right through a pulley drive shaft? I mean, it wouldn't be impossible to do it that way, but it would really complicate the internal design unnecessarily.
    - Why does the power cord sticking out of the front become two dimensional at the bottom? Something has been 'shopped.
    - Background has also been 'shopped. Why?

    I'm a bit skeptical.
     
  7. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    There are other bits that have perhaps been photoshopped -- for example the reflection off the front side of the hopper shows an extended threaded rod with a nut on the end of it that apparently does not exist elsewhere. Although -- upon further reflection (ha!) -- this may simply be a real optical effect related to reflection/imaging from the front of the hopper.

    I don't know that any such photographic manipulation is nefarious, though. One might doctor such a photo for "presentation" purposes.
     
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  8. Jasont33

    Jasont33 Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2019

    Hello! This thread has not been abandoned, I was just away for a bit. Sorry about that. My friend who engineered the product is away, and he has the product with him, but he will be back by the 30th of October and hopefully we can get a video up for you guys then!

    You're right. The picture has been photoshopped (very badly and in a rush). But like @utahbeerdude said, it is just for basic presentation purposes. No ill intent. The background was not relevant at all -it was just a meeting room, so we took it out. The cord is just a cord, and even in the full picture it doesn't show completely. I can post the raw image here if you'd like. But it's pretty much going to be the same thing.

    In terms of size, it is pretty compact. If I remember correctly, it was about 14 inches tall by 12 inches long, and then about 10 inches wide? We made it compact because, like I mentioned, we didn't have a lot of space for homebrewing in general. We also didn't brew in huge batches, so this is why the hopper is not as big. But again, this is why we want to get the opinions of a few more homebrewers, because we really want this to be something that a dedicated homebrewer could use. Would other homebrewers prefer a bigger hopper? Or maybe a hopper that is detachable and can be replaced with whatever hopper size you want? We would appreciate any type of feedback, tips, suggestions so we can better improve this product before putting it out there.

    And here is the original image:

     
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  9. Jasont33

    Jasont33 Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2019

    As it is right now, we are planning to sell it for around $400-500. But it really depends on what other changes we might make to the product based on suggestions from other homebrewers.
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Looking forward to it.
     
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  11. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    At that price I think most people are going to opt for a cheaper mill and a drill. Most homebrewers are men with disposable income and most likely the space to have a mill. Your target audience is very small. That being said I give you a ton of props for designing and building this device to meet your needs. You guys are obviously very talented.
     
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  12. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    Re: the hopper question, I think detachable with different sizes would be the way to go.
     
  13. Jasont33

    Jasont33 Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2019

    Thanks for letting us know. We will see if there's a way to add a detachability function to the hopper, and also provide hoppers of different sizes.
     
  14. videofrog

    videofrog Maven (1,256) Nov 13, 2010 Texas
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  15. Jasont33

    Jasont33 Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2019

    Yes, my friend just told me about it as well. It looks good. But I think their product is different from us in terms of the materials used. We plan on using food grade stainless steel for all parts that touches the grain for the final product. Including the rollers, the hopper, the outlet slide, etc. Our design is also smaller and lighter, the design style is also more vintage military-inspired; (based on a tank design). Our final price will be much cheaper as well - probably around 400 dollars. If you have any suggestions on the design or functions, please feel free to let us know. We want to design something that would work well for the majority.
     
  16. Jasont33

    Jasont33 Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2019

    We are working on filming a casual and short home made, introductory video for the product. It’s still in a “prototype” phase since we have just been using it among ourselves. We will post it soon. Would love to get some feedback from you guys on the design and functions.
     
  17. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota


    I 'll let you know, I get mine this week for RandD.
     
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  18. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I'm not seeing the advantage of this over a drill powered cereal killer mill for $100. Space required seems like it probably is the same, plus plastic bucket to receive the grains. Add $40 for a moderately decent corded drill and I consider it one of the best investments I made as a brewer. My homebrewing habit failed to save my marriage, and I doubt a $500+ shiny mill would have prolonged it. Not sure why the OP and friends' wives were not keen on the idea of a cheaper, drill driven model.
     
  19. Jasont33

    Jasont33 Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2019

    Here’s a short demonstration of our prototype:

    We will continue to make adjustments and improvements based on ideas we get from the homebrewing community. We’ll likely be making the hopper removable so users can have more options on hopper size. For the final version, all parts/mechanisms that come in contact with the grain will be made with food grade level stainless steel. The dimensions for our current grain mill is about 12.5 inches in length, 13.2 inches in height, and 10.6 inches in width. It weighs about 40lbs. Let us know what you think, and what kind of improvements/modifications you’d like to see.
     
  20. Jasont33

    Jasont33 Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2019

    Not sure if it helped our marriages either, but at least our wives aren’t complaining about it. We didn’t have much space for milling from the first place, and usually just used the kitchen for milling instead of a garage or outdoors. That’s where the conflict came in initially. But the way it’s designed now, it’s compact enough that it doesn’t take up too much space and blends in just right with the apartment. Doesn’t stand out like a bulky piece of equipment. (We designed it based on vintage military styles) It’s also just more efficient for us. A simple switch and it starts milling. We just stand there and it’s all done by itself, and it’s just soothing to watch the grain mill.
     
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