Averagely Perfect American Stout - Poll #12A - Oatmeal Part 2

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Select Portion of Oatmeal and whether or not it should be Toasted

Poll closed Dec 16, 2013.

  1. 7% Oatmeal, Toasted

    17 vote(s)
    31.5%

  2. 7% Oatmeal, Not Toasted

    15 vote(s)
    27.8%

  3. 10% Oatmeal, Toasted

    15 vote(s)
    27.8%

  4. 10% Oatmeal, Not Toasted

    7 vote(s)
    13.0%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Okay. Here's the runoff poll between 7% and 10%, and deciding on the toasted vs. non-toasted issue.

    If you are not a believer in specifying grain bills by percentages (due to non-proportional flavor/color extraction for different grains at various mash efficiencies), the assumed mash efficiency in the final recipes will be 70%, if that helps.

    Straight plurality takes this one. If you're more concerned about the amount of oatmeal than with the toast/non-toast question (or vice versa), you might consider jumping on a bandwagon.

    This poll will be open for 36 hours.

    (For those who don't know what I'm talking about, see this thread about the first beer we did (and the
    bazillion ensuing polls and the final recipes)...    http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/the-averagely-perfect-american-ipa-project.59552/

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please Beer Mail me. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand (not about how you would have asked the question differently). Thanks!

    The Averagely Perfect American Stout so far...
    5 Gallons
    Target ABV: 6.5%
    Target OG: 1.068
    Target FG: 1.018
    Apparent Attenuation: 73%
    Grain Bill:
    North American Two Row Brewer's Malt
    Roasted Barley: 5%
    Chocolate Malt: 5%
    Oatmeal (7% or 10% TBD, toasted or non-toasted TBD, this poll)
    Munich (amount TBD)    ​
     
    #1 VikeMan, Dec 14, 2013
  2. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    I vote for (i) 7% because this isn't an oatmeal stout and (ii) toasted because there is nothing similar to brown, amber, or victory in the recipe.
     
    #2 utahbeerdude, Dec 14, 2013
  3. hopsandmalt

    hopsandmalt Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2006 Michigan

    7% and I guess if we're using oats we should toast them.
     
    #3 hopsandmalt, Dec 14, 2013
  4. Marshall_ofmcap

    Marshall_ofmcap Initiate (0) Jul 17, 2013 Colorado

    7% toasted
     
    #4 Marshall_ofmcap, Dec 14, 2013
  5. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
    Pooh-Bah

    10% toasted. I believe it's going to need all of those oats.
     
    #5 Naugled, Dec 14, 2013
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  6. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    7% and toasted...at this point it's no longer an American Stout either way, but I just can't vote for 10%...I just can't.
     
    #6 JohnSnowNW, Dec 14, 2013
  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Sort of ironic that the BJCP's #1 commercial example of American Stout is named for an English Poet/Playwright and is made with oats, and is (now) called an Oatmeal Stout by the brewer, although oats have apparently always been part of its formulation. Just embrace style guidelines as hopelessly messed up, especially when it comes to distinguishing among substyles, and your disdain will diminish.
     
    #7 pweis909, Dec 15, 2013
  8. DubbelMan

    DubbelMan Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2009 New York

    7% toast. Should be fine. Now if we could just sneak in 5% dark crystal..;-)

    Cheers!
     
    #8 DubbelMan, Dec 15, 2013
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  9. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    10% toasted to help make up for the lack of crystal :slight_smile:
     
    #9 wspscott, Dec 15, 2013
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  10. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Ha, well, there's really no disdain. I just can't seem to reconcile that much oatmeal in a non-oatmeal stout. Regardless of whether I think it will taste good or not.
     
    #10 JohnSnowNW, Dec 15, 2013
  11. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Toasting sounds like work. Can I sub-contract out that part? Mostly when I make beer I just want to hang out and look cool. :rolling_eyes:
     
    #11 AlCaponeJunior, Dec 15, 2013
  12. hopsandmalt

    hopsandmalt Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2006 Michigan

    Get
    You want to make beer with no work involved? You need one of these.
     
    #12 hopsandmalt, Dec 15, 2013
  13. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
    Society Pooh-Bah

    hahaha I'm not THAT lazy!!!

    Truthfully... My (instantaneous, unfiltered) thoughts on that type of thing is that if you're really wanting to do that little work, you could always buy commercial beer. :rolling_eyes:
     
    #13 AlCaponeJunior, Dec 15, 2013
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  14. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    If you lived in my part of the country, you would welcome the excuse to turn the oven on and some extra heat to the house. I don't know that toasting oats will do much for the beer, but it might help melt the ice on my kitchen window.
     
    #14 pweis909, Dec 15, 2013
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  15. Slatetank

    Slatetank Grand Pooh-Bah (3,713) Oct 9, 2006 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    I voted 10% untoasted since the oats are for mouthfeel
     
    #15 Slatetank, Dec 15, 2013
  16. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
    Pooh-Bah

    7%, toasted.

    I like the idea of toasting them since we aren't adding any crystal or any other specialty malts to the grist.

    I'm not opposed to the oats by any means though, just not 10 percent in there. I have a stout with 10-12% right now that I don't consider an oatmeal stout by much.
     
    #16 FATC1TY, Dec 15, 2013
  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    7%, toasted it is.
     
    #17 VikeMan, Dec 16, 2013
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