Averagely Perfect American Stout - Poll #33 - Fermentation Temp

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Select a fermentation temperature

Poll closed Feb 1, 2014.
  1. 62F

    4.5%
  2. 63F

    4.5%
  3. 64F

    25.0%
  4. 65F

    18.2%
  5. 66F

    20.5%
  6. 67F

    6.8%
  7. 68F

    18.2%
  8. 69F

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. 70F

    2.3%
  10. 71F

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    This may be the last poll for the APAS: Fermentation Temperature. Recommend voting in the context of the style, the recipe, and the yeast strain.

    When this poll is done, I will look at the data a few different ways to determine if there is a central tendency. It may or may not be as simple as a plurality would indicate. There may or may not be a runoff(s). It all depends on the data. After the fermentation temp is settled, I will post the all grain and partial mash recipes.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    (For those who don't know what I'm talking about, see this thread about the first beer we did (and the bazillion ensuing polls and the final recipes)...http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/the-averagely-perfect-american-ipa-project.59552/ )

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please Beer Mail me. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand (not about how you would have asked the question differently). Thanks!


    The Averagely Perfect American Stout so far...

    5 Gallons (into fermenter)
    Target ABV: 6.5%
    Target OG: 1.068
    Target FG: 1.018
    Apparent Attenuation: 73%
    Yeast: Wyeast 1084 (Irish Ale)
    Recommended Mash Temp: 154F
    54 Tinseth IBUs
    Fermentation Temp: TBD

    Grain Bill:
    North American Two Row Brewer's Malt: 63%
    Munich: 15%
    Roasted Barley: 5%
    Chocolate Malt: 5%
    Oatmeal, Toasted: 7%
    Crystal 80: 5%


    Hops:
    Chinook @ 60 Min (to reach total of 54 IBUs along with flavor/aroma hops)
    1.25 ounces Willamette @ 10 min
    1.0 ounces Willamette @FO/Whirlpool/Hopstand

    0.75 ounces Chinook @FO/Whirlpool/Hopstand
     
  2. SABERG

    SABERG Grand Pooh-Bah (5,001) Sep 16, 2007 Massachusetts
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah

    Vikeman,
    Thanks so much for the poll/process.
    I look forward to the group results.

    Cheers
     
  3. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    65, that's about where my fermentation chamber (read upstairs bathroom) sits these days.
     
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  4. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    64 because that's what I keep my freezers set on, and that's what I intend to keep them set on*.

    *as long as I'm brewing ales, where 64 is a good temp for general fermentation.
     
  5. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Never used this yeast before, so before I vote, I want to hear from some who have used it. What has worked for you in the past with 1084?
     
  6. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I chose 66* because I wouldn't mind a hint of the fruity esters that Wyeast says 1084 produces when above 64*. Plus 66* is near the mid temp range, and we need 73% attenuation (also mid range, not sure if thats important but it seems right).

    Here is the description from Wyeast:

    This versatile yeast ferments extremely well in dark worts. It is a good choice for most high gravity beers. Beers fermented in the lower temperature range produce a dry, crisp profile with subtle fruitiness. Fruit and complex esters will increase when fermentation temperatures are above 64°F (18°C).

    Origin:
    Flocculation: Medium
    Attenuation: 71-75%
    Temperature Range: 62-72F, 16-22C
    Alcohol Tolerance: 12% ABV

    Pretty excited to revisit a strain that I haven't tried in a few years. And cheers to VikeMan for hosting another group recipe build.
     
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  7. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    64, don't love dark fruit esters in my stouts.
     
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  8. Marshall_ofmcap

    Marshall_ofmcap Initiate (0) Jul 17, 2013 Colorado

    no vote, no way for me to control temp
     
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  9. fastenoughforphish

    fastenoughforphish Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2012 Illinois

    My fermentation chamber is cold (storage room in basement), so I ferment cold. 62. I think 64 would be my second choice.
     
  10. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    To be fair my setup is pretty rigged up and involves moving my fermentor around to areas of varying temp, not exactly a modern temp controlled environment.
     
  11. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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    It's a fairly clean yeast IMO, much more like the American strains than the English. I typically ferment it between 64F and 66F with very good results. However, I've never tried to push the temp in either direction so I'm sure if it throws of anything at higher or lower temps. I voted for 65F.
     
  12. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Some of you guys need to invest in, or start budgeting for, a proper ferm chamber. I put mine together for about $200...but that was purchasing a brand new chest freezer. You can do it for quite a bit cheaper.

    I realize people don't always have money to throw around...I sure don't, but I'd start to prioritize building one. It just makes a huge difference, and allows more consistent results, when you can accurately control the ferm temp.
     
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  13. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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    edit: there should be a "not" before sure.
     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Mine is a huge $20 Yard Sale freezer. Delivered! Craigslist is good too.
     
  15. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Thanks for that info. Based on this and @FeDUBBELFIST above, I went with 67 (right in the middle of the range).
     
  16. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    That's how I got the beer fridge/kegerator...but chest freezers were few and far between. Unless I wanted one that could fit a Cadillac inside. Which wasn't going to work with my space requirements.
     
  17. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    Sounds like you missed out on a cheap garage then.

    Out of curiosity, what square footages and/or dimensions are people rocking for chest freezer fermentation chambers?
     
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  18. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Amen brother. My ferm fridge looks like it came over on the Mayflower, was actually a curb-side rescuee . . . but combined with a thermowell temp probe and Mr. Ranco it nails the temperature. I believe this is the single most beneficial upgrade in my entire brew process.

    My POS. er . . . fantastic fridge is an undercounter dorm-style fridge. But it tales a 6.5 gallon Ale Pail or a 5'er carboy. In a pinch it could even be used as a real refrigerator.
     
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  19. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Mine is a 5.3cu.ft., which can only fit one carboy at a time. This was the biggest the wife would allow...it be nice to be able to do two at once...but that's just not possible at our current house (according to my wife).
     
  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I don't have the exact dimensions with me, but my fermentation fridge (chest freezer) has way more room than I need and could probably fit 15-20 corny kegs. It's the $20 freezer I got at a yard sale and it lives in the basement.

    My serving keezer was built from a newly bought chest freezer, and had to fit into a smaller space (in the dining room). It theoretically holds 4 cornys, but that's such a tight squeeze that I only keep three at a time in it. But that 4th faucet is ready to rock in the event of an end of the world party.
     
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