Averagely Perfect ESB - Poll #17 - Mash Temperature

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by VikeMan, Apr 2, 2017.

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What should the recommended Mash Temperature be?

Poll closed Apr 4, 2017.

  1. 147F

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  2. 148F

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  3. 149F

    2 vote(s)
    5.9%

  4. 150F

    2 vote(s)
    5.9%

  5. 151F

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  6. 152F

    2 vote(s)
    5.9%

  7. 153F

    3 vote(s)
    8.8%

  8. 154F

    14 vote(s)
    41.2%

  9. 155F

    4 vote(s)
    11.8%

  10. 156F

    7 vote(s)
    20.6%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    -> Poll #16 <- determined that the crystal malt split will be 5% 55L and 2% 80L.

    This poll will determine recommended Mash Temperature. After that, we'll determine recommended Mash Length. These will be "recommended" because YMMV when it comes to making a wort with the attenuability needed to hit this recipe's numbers, so some may need different mash parameters. That said, the recommended numbers will be at least a starting place for less experienced brewers.

    I recommend you think about this in terms of the parameters needed to hit apparent attenuation between 77% and 78% with the fermentables and yeast strain already selected.

    When this poll is done, I will look at the data a few different ways to determine the central tendency. It may or may not be as simple as a plurality would indicate. There may or may not be a runoff. It all depends on the data.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please send them via beermail. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand and not about how you would have asked the question differently.

    The Averagely Perfect ESB Recipe so far...

    Target ABV: 5.4%
    OG: 1.053
    FG: 1.012 (77.4% Apparent Attenuation)

    Grain Bill:
    ---Maris Otter (89%)
    ---English Crystal Malt (~55L) (5%)
    ---English Dark Crystal (~80L) (2%)
    ---Invert Sugar #2 (4%)

    Yeast Strain: Wyeast 1469
     
    #1 VikeMan, Apr 2, 2017
  2. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    Delicate balance. Have to hit 77% but also have to keep the 1469 from running away. Went 152 but could be swayed.
     
    #2 crcostel, Apr 2, 2017
  3. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    went with 153 but have no real idea how this works/affects things (other then changing SG). and 153 is what I have been using mostly for the last half year.
     
    #3 Granitebeard, Apr 2, 2017
  4. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Low crystal (7%), a bit of invert sugar, attenuative yeast.... I went warm at 154 F.
     
    #4 dmtaylor, Apr 2, 2017
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  5. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    Never used this yeast, but I'd rather error on the "thick" side vs. "thin" so I went with 154. I'm assuming a 60ish minute mash for this temp. I could be convinced to go higher.
     
    #5 wspscott, Apr 2, 2017
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  6. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    I just went higher to hopefully offset side of the lower temp votes
     
    #6 FeDUBBELFIST, Apr 2, 2017
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  7. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Went 151, the crystal and invert are going add enough perceived sweetness. Dry it out
     
    #7 SFACRKnight, Apr 2, 2017
  8. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    With sugar and an attenuative yeast, I feel it needs to be high as a last ditch attempt to get us to the target FG. Went with 156. Was tempted to write in even higher.
     
    #8 pweis909, Apr 2, 2017
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  9. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    Switched to 156 to balance out the 149 people.
     
    #9 crcostel, Apr 2, 2017
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  10. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    After much thought... I'm out. Y'all are on your own.
     
    #10 SFACRKnight, Apr 2, 2017
  11. redgorillabreath

    redgorillabreath Zealot (511) Mar 29, 2015 Pennsylvania

    That's why I went for 155.
     
    #11 redgorillabreath, Apr 2, 2017
  12. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Went with 156. Ideally, I wish we would have voted in more crystal malt and I could mash lower. My second move would be just to accept a dryer beer with the crystal percentages as is and mash at 154. I make a lot of British pale ales that ferment dry and like the result, though it's a bit out of style. Keeping style in mind I've ditched my initial inclinations and am going high.
     
    #12 scottakelly, Apr 3, 2017
  13. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    Even with the 1469 and the sugar I think we will have a very nice (and not bone dry) bitter if we end up at 154. That's the magic of 1469. That being said, I'm still voted 156 for balance.
     
    #13 crcostel, Apr 3, 2017
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  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    After removing outliers (and even without removing them), it's 154F across the board.
     
    #14 VikeMan, Apr 4, 2017
  15. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    #15 wspscott, Apr 4, 2017
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