Averagely Perfect NorthEast IPA - Poll #21 - IBUs

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by VikeMan, Jun 18, 2016.

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What should the IBU target be?

Poll closed Jun 20, 2016.

  1. 46 or less

    1 vote(s)
    1.8%

  2. 49

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  3. 52

    6 vote(s)
    10.9%

  4. 55

    11 vote(s)
    20.0%

  5. 58

    4 vote(s)
    7.3%

  6. 61

    7 vote(s)
    12.7%

  7. 64

    18 vote(s)
    32.7%

  8. 67

    4 vote(s)
    7.3%

  9. 70

    3 vote(s)
    5.5%

  10. 73 or more

    1 vote(s)
    1.8%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    -> Poll #20 <- determined the timing of the hop additions. This poll will determine the IBU target. Note: The bittering model will be Tinseth. And because there is the potential for a big flameout/hopstand/whirlpool addition, the Northeast IPA project will break with Averagely Perfect tradition and use an extended Tinseth model, i.e. the flameout/hopstand/whirlpool addition will count in the IBU calculation. (I'll use BrewCipher's improved Tinseth model.) But because everyone has different capabilities/systems for performing hop stands and whirlpools, we'll model that addition as if it will be at 170F, for 15 minutes, which should be a decent middle of the road compromise for calculation purposes. (This is for calculation purposes only...the recipe won't actually specify the temp or length.) So keep this in mind while voting.

    I recommend you think about the IBU levels in terms of the bitterness of outstanding Northeast IPAs you may have tasted. If you haven't had any, I recommend paying attention to the discussion. If you want less than 46 IBUs or more than 73, write it in.

    When this poll is done, I will look at the data a few different ways to determine the central tendency. It may or may not be as simple as a plurality would indicate. There may or may not be a runoff. It all depends on the data.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please send them via beermail. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand and not about how you would have asked the question differently. Lobbying for votes and intelligent discussion of each choice's relative merits is encouraged.

    The Averagely Perfect NorthEast IPA Recipe so far...

    5 Gallons
    ABV: 6.5%
    OG: 1.062
    FG: 1.012
    Mash Temperature (recommended): 152F
    Mash Length (recommended): 60 minutes

    Grain Bill:
    North American 2-Row Brewer's Malt (77%)
    Wheat Malt (10%)
    Flaked Oats (10%)
    Honey Malt (3%)

    Hop Schedule:
    60 Minutes (variety/qty TBD)
    10 Minutes (Citra, Galaxy, and/or Mosaic, Qtys TBD)
    Flameout/Whirlpool/Hopstand (Citra, Galaxy, and/or Mosaic, Qtys TBD)
    Fermentation Dry Hop (Citra, Galaxy, and/or Mosaic, Qtys and Exact Timing TBD)
    Traditional Dry Hop (Citra, Galaxy, and/or Mosaic, Qtys TBD)

    Yeast Strain: Wyeast 1318
     
    #1 VikeMan, Jun 18, 2016
  2. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    this style needs lower ibu's. I went with 55
     
    #2 drink1121, Jun 18, 2016
  3. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I went with 61.... although i think you can actually "get away" with even higher IBU numbers if you dose your water accordingly. BIG CACL addition for sure.
     
    #3 psnydez86, Jun 18, 2016
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  4. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    Still not voting since I have not tried this style before, but it seems like a BU:GU ratio = 1 would be reasonable here, especially given a lot (all?) of the IBUs will come from late additions. So, if I were voting, I would go for IBU = 61.

    I'm curious what others think about this reasoning.
     
    #4 wspscott, Jun 18, 2016
  5. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Yep. BU:GU = 1. I went 64. If this was an 8% beer, I could see going higher. At 6.5%, this puts it right in the middle of IPA style guidelines, not that I'm advocating being sticklers to style, but as a data point I think it's to be considered. I don't think you could go wrong in the 60s.
     
    #5 scurvy311, Jun 18, 2016
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  6. Buck89

    Buck89 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,782) Feb 7, 2015 Tennessee
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I went with 70, thinking that most of the calculated IBUs would be from the late additions and would impart a "softer" bitterness, but this may be too much for a 6.5% beer. The diff between 64 and 70 is probably not detectable, though.
     
    #6 Buck89, Jun 18, 2016
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  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Although I haven't voted in this AP recipe, it's starting to look pretty interesting to me. Nice job, voters.
     
    #7 pweis909, Jun 18, 2016
  8. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I went 64. Bitterness in these beers is less perceptible than in beers fermented with other yeasts... brewing to 64ibus calculated will net a perception significantly lower.
     
    #8 SFACRKnight, Jun 18, 2016
  9. Theheroguy

    Theheroguy Initiate (0) Jun 29, 2012 Maryland

    64 seems right to me based on the offering I've had/made and the recipe
     
    #9 Theheroguy, Jun 19, 2016
  10. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    I voted for 52 IBUs. While I agree the water composition will downplay the bitterness slightly, I still think 1:1 BU:IBU is too high for this style (or maybe higher than I prefer would be a better way to say it). I don't even prefer west coast IPAs in this gravity range to have a 1:1 ratio these days. Maybe 8% or above, but not 6.5%. YMMV.
     
    #10 FeDUBBELFIST, Jun 19, 2016
  11. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    What the hell does ymmv mean?
     
    #11 SFACRKnight, Jun 19, 2016
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  12. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    Yo' mamma might vomit.
     
    #12 bgjohnston, Jun 19, 2016
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  13. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Took me a while too buddy.


    Your mileage may very.....


    Never saw this abbreviation more often than in various beer websites oddly enough....
     
    #13 psnydez86, Jun 19, 2016
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  14. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    FFS, SMH.
     
    #14 SFACRKnight, Jun 19, 2016
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  15. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
    Pooh-Bah

    #15 PortLargo, Jun 19, 2016
  16. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    GLOP
     
    #16 psnydez86, Jun 19, 2016
  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Mean: 60.5
    Median: 61
    Mode: 64

    Pretty small differences. I'm calling this one for 61 IBUs.
     
    #17 VikeMan, Jun 20, 2016
  18. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    #18 wspscott, Jun 20, 2016
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