Averagely Perfect Project #8 - Suggestions

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by VikeMan, Apr 12, 2020.

  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Poo-Bah (1,957) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It's about time to get another Averagely Perfect Project underway. If you don't know what that means, see @riptorn's thread full o' threads (full o' threads, it's turtles all the way down) -> here <-.

    Here are the styles we have already done:

    American IPA
    American Stout
    Saison
    NorthEast IPA
    ESB
    Dubbel
    American Brown Ale

    Please discuss some ideas for the next style in this thread. After that, I'll put up a pre-poll to decide among the the styles most mentioned.
     
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  2. MrOH

    MrOH Meyvn (1,369) Jul 5, 2010 Maryland

    Thanks for doing this once again @VikeMan

    I'd like to do a dark mild.
     
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  3. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Initiate (111) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    How about a Baltic porter?
     
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  4. scottakelly

    scottakelly Zealot (502) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Perhaps a German Hefeweizen or American Wheat.
     
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  5. Supergenious

    Supergenious Disciple (366) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    We have yet to tackle a German beer.. Or a lager. I think a Dunkel, Marzen, or Vienna lager could be a fun option.
     
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  6. ECCS

    ECCS Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2015 Illinois

    Another vote for a hefe
     
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  7. OddNotion

    OddNotion Zealot (584) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey

    Excited to see this come back again! I'll toss out a suggestion for a Barleywine.
     
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  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,883) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I am a fan of lagers and I will soon be bottling my fourth batch of lager of 2020 sometime this week. But, not every homebrewer has the resources to lager beers.

    Perhaps an ale would be a more inclusive beer style choice? Or maybe a hybrid beer like Altbier or Kolsch which could be lagered (or not for those incapable of lagering beers).

    Cheers!

    Edit: Or maybe a California Common?
     
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  9. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (320) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Hefeweizen
     
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  10. riptorn

    riptorn Disciple (389) Apr 26, 2018 North Carolina
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    Something bright and crisp; Kolsch style or Cream Ale.
     
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  11. Dave_S

    Dave_S Initiate (69) May 18, 2017 England

    A German style could be fun. I don't have the kit to brew lagered styles, but would be happy to read the discussion assuming there are enough people taking part who do. Dark Mild, California Common and American Wheat also sound good. My only extra suggestion would be Black IPA, or maybe going wacky and doing Pastry Stout ("which brand of cake mix should we add to the fermenter...")

    Personally, I'd have more interest in something more recipe driven than process driven and with a bit of scope for interpretation, though. Hefeweizen, for instance, feels like you haven't got many levers to pull in the recipe (OG, IBU, proportion of wheat to pilsner malt, yeast strain, which noble hop to bitter with) and then it's just a load of haggling about process. But maybe people like haggling about process?
     
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  12. Dave_S

    Dave_S Initiate (69) May 18, 2017 England

    Also, thanks to VikeMan for starting this up again! It's exactly the sort of distraction that I could use right now...
     
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  13. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (320) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    People who can’t lager could try lagering in bottles. Not as good as but not bad either.
     
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  14. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Devotee (488) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont

    Go viker, great idea and timing.

    I suggest a dark Belgian ale
     
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  15. skleice

    skleice Aspirant (275) Aug 6, 2015 Connecticut

    I agree that a lager may be nice. People that don't have lagering capabilities can use 34/70 at ale temps (according to fermentis and confirmed by plenty of Brewers).

    I'm not a huge Pastry Stout guy, but that could be a fun group project.
     
  16. 209Hill

    209Hill Initiate (34) Dec 22, 2016 Virginia

    My vote based on posts so far: Hefeweizen

    My vote for my personal preference: Belgian Pale Ale
     
  17. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Disciple (393) May 2, 2006 Utah

    How about an old school British IPA? Might make for some lively discussion. I also like the ideas of Baltic Porter and Barleywine.

    Cheers!
     
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  18. Brewday

    Brewday Initiate (150) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    Hoppy American/Irish Red. :flushed:
     
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  19. Naugled

    Naugled Defender (640) Sep 25, 2007 New York

    I second the vote for a Barleywine.

    I think this style can open up some good debate about base malt choices, mashing techniques, boiling times, hopping rates (English or American), yeast choice and fermenting strategies, original and finishing gravities, aging and DO, wood or no wood.

    And, more selfishly, I have a barleywine on my brew list for this summer.
     
  20. MrOH

    MrOH Meyvn (1,369) Jul 5, 2010 Maryland

    I'm down for a barleywine.
    Would it be possible to count all English or American votes for barleywine together, and then the first poll we decide which?

    Belgian Pale Ale also sounds good to me.

    Lagering in bottles only works if you have fridge space to store the bottles.
     
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  21. eaglepar3

    eaglepar3 Initiate (86) Jun 5, 2009 Oregon

    One more vote for Hefeweizen. I worry that if we decide on pastry stout that the recipe formulation would never end...
     
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  22. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,883) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Or if you live in cold areas you could place your bottles outside (e.g., unheated garage) in the winter time (January, February). Needless to say but it is now April so....

    Cheers!
     
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  23. Jasonja1474

    Jasonja1474 Initiate (180) Oct 15, 2018 Tennessee
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    I’m excited about a lager. Haven’t attempted one yet
     
  24. VikeMan

    VikeMan Poo-Bah (1,957) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    What style do you have in mind?
     
  25. JSullivan

    JSullivan Initiate (58) Aug 18, 2010 Massachusetts

    German Pils or Munich Helles.

    34/70 is fairly forgiving at above lager temps. It might also turn some people on to what I fresh German lager tastes like.....or make them appreciate how amazing some of those brewers are.
     
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  26. Jasonja1474

    Jasonja1474 Initiate (180) Oct 15, 2018 Tennessee
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    I’m a big fan of a Dunkel but it is gonna be hot soon too. So I’m good with a light easy drinking one as well.
     
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  27. pweis909

    pweis909 Poo-Bah (1,905) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Unheated garages and northern winters work well, too. My garage maintains about 2 C for about 4 months of winter.
     
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  28. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Devotee (488) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont

    my celler never gets above 50F but next to the north wall its more like 40. Not perfict and neither are my attempts at lagers.
     
  29. Jasonja1474

    Jasonja1474 Initiate (180) Oct 15, 2018 Tennessee
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    I’m up for any style really. I just love to brew.
     
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  30. MrOH

    MrOH Meyvn (1,369) Jul 5, 2010 Maryland

    Best I could do would be the unfinished part of my basement, but it didn't seem to get much below 50F this winter.
     
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  31. Jasonja1474

    Jasonja1474 Initiate (180) Oct 15, 2018 Tennessee
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    Yeah I would like to do a brew that includes everyone.
     
  32. MrOH

    MrOH Meyvn (1,369) Jul 5, 2010 Maryland

    Happy medium- kellerpils?
     
  33. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,883) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe dig a subbasement to get colder?

    Just kidding.

    But on a more serious note when I took a tour of Pilsner Urquell last year they showed us their cellar brewery where they fermented and lagered at the same temperature (e.g., 5 °C which is 41 °C) and they provided glasses of the finished beer (right from the lagering barrel). That beer was sublime!

    Cheers!

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  34. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,883) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Well, "kellerpils" would be what I detailed above for the Pilsner Urquell cellar brewed beer (kellerpils literally translates to Cellar Pilsner). You would still need to have cold temperatures to brew a "kellerpils".

    Cheers!

    P.S. The other aspect of a kellerpils is that it is unfiltered. The Pilsner Urquell cellar brewed beer is unpasteurized and unfiltered.
     
  35. VikeMan

    VikeMan Poo-Bah (1,957) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Looks like there are lots of ideas. I'll crunch the numbers and put up the pre-poll shortly.
     
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  36. Jasonja1474

    Jasonja1474 Initiate (180) Oct 15, 2018 Tennessee
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    That’s some pretty Keller pics you got there!!
     
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  37. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,883) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yeah, getting to see the cellars where Pilsner Urquell was fermented and lagered back in the old days prior to modernization was a highlight of the tour. Drinking a fresh, unpasteurized and unfiltered Pilsner Urquell straight from the lagering barrel was indeed a 'cherry on top' on that tour.

    But wait, there's more!

    After the tour my wife, buddy Phil and I went to a nearby pub for lunch and some beers. And we drank more fresh, unpasteurized and unfiltered Pilsner Urquell:

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    Beer at Na Parkanu & my ticket for the PU tour

    Cheers!
     
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  38. pweis909

    pweis909 Poo-Bah (1,905) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    For a German style, I'd go altbier if looking for a daily drinker, or weizenbock for something big and special, yet traditional, within the capabilities of most brewers, and, yet, outside of just about everyone's wheelhouse.
     
  39. riptorn

    riptorn Disciple (389) Apr 26, 2018 North Carolina
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    @pweis909 the first pre-poll is up here, in case you missed it.
     
  40. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Devotee (427) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    See a number of lagers, I'll add Maibock. Vennia would be nice too. I'm very happy with my Helles, Pils, both Czech and German, and Marzen; so wouldn't be as interested in thoughs.