Backing out on a trade bad experience

Part of me wants to agree heartily with you, but I'm trying hard to give the benefit of the doubt.

 

The problem is that unless I'm mistaken, the option to leave any feedback requires both sides to "accept" the trade. That's why I'm so insistent on my trading partners accepting the trade request. To me that's "locking in" the trade.

 

Nothing better than the old "Sorry man. I've got way to much going on now to complete our trade. Just to busy, I'm going to have to bail." Followed by a reposting of the same beer for trade and new FT posts within 48 Hrs. Happens way too often.

 

I can't even get a response out of half the people I respond to, let alone getting as far as to back out. This is getting old quick.

 

Out of curiosity you really don't find it wrong to post a trade and get exactly what you were searching/asking for and agree to the trade and then change your mind after already agreeing because someone else then came and offered more than you originally thought yourself was a fair trade? This seems greedy and wrong to me..

This place would be less of a trading cesspool if people spent more time being advocates like the website header suggests and less concerned about winning trades.

 

You would think so. But that can lead to the situation I'm in right now: An open trade after the events I described above. So my options now are to give positive feedback (not going to happen), give negative feedback (which I'd rather not do, and which would likely just result in the other guy giving me negative feedback in retaliation), or just leave the trade open forever, serving as a constant reminder of the bad experience every time I go into that part of the site. Not good.

 

Obviously you want to get maximum value for your beer. Sounds like this guy undervalued his Proprietors. Maybe he's a new Beer Advocate. Maybe he's not spun up on the trading customs. I don't know. I already said the backing out part was handled very poorly. It was dumb.

I've never backed out of a trade because somebody else offered a sweeter deal, but I've evaluated several offers and once and made a decision based on what I thought was the best offer. At some point I think everybody would back out of a initially agreed-upon trade if the alternative was significantly better. I think at the point where a time-and-place is determined -- you can't back out. This trade never got that far.

It's funny -- with my trading partners -- winning a trade is whoever sends more beer. Not whoever gets the most beer. A guy I trade with sent me five more extras than I sent him. So, I sent him box a few days later with six additional extras. So, I'm not sure in what context you're using the term "winning trades".

 

See your first statement to answer your second statement.

You sound like part of the problem in your first, and part of the solution in your second.

There are plenty of people, I am one, who actually go with the first email received if it is exactly what they were looking for originally. ( or at least there used to be plenty )

 

This exactly!!!

I am not calling out C20 specifically but simply saying that I personally think it is poor form to post a trade and then get exactly what you are asking for and then later back out to get more beer. I, like Photekut, go with the first person to respond to my ISO-everytime! Provided they are offering what I was ISO. The second comment regarding "winning" trades I agree with C20's stance that a trade is won by the person that sends the best box. However, I am not sure that philosophy is the standard excepted definition on this site unfortunately.

 

@Photekut @brian4beer

If you understand the value of the beer you're trading, then you shouldn't be getting multiple trade offers that are significantly different. $4$ is the easiest way to make that determination. I don't go with the first email receive just because it was first. I weigh other factors too, 1) How long they've been on BA; 2) How many trade references they have; 3) Where they live. So, I might go with an offer I receive several hours after the first one. For me, personally, a trade is locked in once addresses are exchanged, and then I ship once I receive a tracking #. For IP trades, I think it's locked in once you determine a place and time.

 

I've had a lot of people back out of trades lately. I even had a guy yesterday back out of one after I had already printed up a FedEx label for him, the box was to be dropped off this morning. Is this bad beer advocacy? Yes. Did it piss me off? Yes. Did I get over it? YES.
Shit happens.

 

We can just agree to disagree. How long another trader has been on BA has zero to do with what you were asking for in an ISO. If you post an ISO looking to make a trade and someone responds giving you exactly what you want it should be a done deal in my mind. That is why I take the first person to respond that is offering exactly what I was looking for. Now granted if they have not been on BA long or have little trading experience I may make them send first. But their "experience" has zero to do with what I offered in a post.

Anyway, to each their own and your statement above about trying to send the better box means winning the trade shows you "get it" in my mind but we will just differ on how we get to the point of doing the trade.

Cheers

 

What if the third guy to respond is someone you've traded with once or twice before? I know I'm always gonna go with a prior trader who I had a positive experience with over someone new.

 

You could add something like "Preference goes to previous trading partners," in the interest of good communication.

 

I just posted that as an example. I tend to agree with C20 (and I think I've actually traded with him in the past....as well as the OP, lol). I think it's completely fair to assess the various people who want to trade with you if you get a bunch in at once. I personally look at posting history, communication skills, trade references, where they live, etc. in deciding if I even want to trade with them - even if they are my only response to a trade I put up. I don't have to deal with someone just because they have what I want, particularly if there's something I don't like about them. It's really never been an issue for me, but if I if someone acts like a jackass in what they post (I always read their recent posts), I'm probably not gonna trade with them. Better to avoid a headache all together.

If I'm comfortably based on that initial due diligence, I don't worry about all that who ships first stuff, no matter how long they've been on BA

 

Agree completely. That's what my "Do Not Trade" list is for.

 

It really doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong here or what anyone else thinks. This will happen all the time with trades since some traders are looking to maximize their deals, so if it is going to upset you, then you shouldn't be trading. I stopped trading myself after having a bad taste in my mouth over a few trades.

 

Or you could trade with traders who aren't dicks.

 

This is exactly it. I put out an ISO:CW 16 and got more responses than I ever dreamed of. Before I could respond to anyone I received an BM from one of the first rades I ever did. OF course that guy got the nod.

Not LIFO, not FIFO. Just the one that has the most realistic opportunity of not going to shit.