Backing out when finding a beer could be a infected?

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by RyanMcFly1985, May 27, 2015.

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  1. RyanMcFly1985

    RyanMcFly1985 Savant (1,222) Oct 20, 2007 Ohio
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    You are correct. The whole various batches thing came from the guy I traded with. He told me this is what he heard from Bullfrog. After some conversations with folks last night who went to the release, I am no longer so sure that is the case. Not that I think he was lying; I think he may have received bad info from Bullfrog. Who knows?
     
  2. ShanePB

    ShanePB Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    FWIW, I have had two bottles and they were both god awful. I cannot imagine there seriously being any "good" bottles out there... Proceed with caution indeed.
     
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  3. RyanMcFly1985

    RyanMcFly1985 Savant (1,222) Oct 20, 2007 Ohio
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    Describe "god awful", Shane. Like take the enamel off your teeth sour? I can handle that if that's the case. Or like, total garbage?
     
  4. ShanePB

    ShanePB Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Hmm, flat nail polish beer? :slight_smile:
     
  5. blue-dream

    blue-dream Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2013 Virgin Islands (U.S.)

    have you had uplands kiwi? along those lines or something else?
     
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  6. ShanePB

    ShanePB Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Yes, and I actually liked it. Having had it with someone who has had other batches of Upland Kiwi, we had a "good" bottle. The sourness was, point-blank, not extreme. Not sure which batch of Kiwi it was though.

    CoP I finished my pour of my first bottle (because I stood in line and paid for it, damn it!), but the second time around, every single person drain poured. That bottle was even worse off. Very disappointed.
     
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  7. blue-dream

    blue-dream Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2013 Virgin Islands (U.S.)

    Thanks.. And for the record i loved the upland kiwi too….
     
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  8. jshusc

    jshusc Pooh-Bah (1,654) Aug 16, 2013 South Carolina
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    This is a bummer for sure. My thought is this: the simple click of a button (accept trade) is symbolic of a completed deal, BUT there are circumstances (like the one here), that should mitigate the forcing of a trade partner to ship beer. Sounds like you got fleeced, and sounds like your trade partner took advantage. This is not the kind of trade partner I'm looking for.

    Kudos for following through I suppose, but in my opinion, you should not have been forced into that situation.
     
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  9. RyanMcFly1985

    RyanMcFly1985 Savant (1,222) Oct 20, 2007 Ohio
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    Honestly though, it's grey. Bullfrog has not come out and said this beer is infected. There have been some positive reviews of it. My question wasn't so much about whether or not it was shady. My question was if people thought it was acceptable to back out once info like this comes to light. At that point, it's tough to say. If it's not infected, and just extremely terrible, it's really tough to say what is right. I just was curious on the opinions of others.
     
  10. jshusc

    jshusc Pooh-Bah (1,654) Aug 16, 2013 South Carolina
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    I think the answer is yes. Forcing people to trade is not in conformity with beer advocacy. My opinion stands, this is not the kind of trade partner I'm interested in working with.
     
  11. RyanMcFly1985

    RyanMcFly1985 Savant (1,222) Oct 20, 2007 Ohio
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    He did not force me. Maybe I should have been more clear. He just expressed the whole "it's par for the course" in trading in that you could get a bad bottle, and that if I didn't like that, he didn't know what to tell me. I do not like to piss off a trader, especially since I did agree to the trade, so I went with it. Had he said no problem and not seemed irritated, I would have agreed to not send the bottles. Since he did not seem real happy, I stuck with the agreement.
     
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  12. jshusc

    jshusc Pooh-Bah (1,654) Aug 16, 2013 South Carolina
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    I don't think you did anything wrong, and perchance I don't know enough details to judge the other guy. BUT, my goal in trading is not to acquire beer at all costs. My goal is to exchange good beer for good beer and make sure everyone is happy. I don't ever want my trade partner to think "I won't deal that guy again." What you did was noble, but you left the deal with an unfortunate feeling. Because of that, I wouldn't call the trade "successful" under my (overly optimistic and kumbayah) criteria.
     
  13. RyanMcFly1985

    RyanMcFly1985 Savant (1,222) Oct 20, 2007 Ohio
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  14. RyanMcFly1985

    RyanMcFly1985 Savant (1,222) Oct 20, 2007 Ohio
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    I have a bad taste in my mouth maybe, but I think that's mostly my fault. I do not see him as a bad or shady trader. A few guys have asked me for his name. There's no way I would give that out (and we didn't use the feedback system for this one) as he really did not do anything that was clearly wrong.
     
  15. jdhowe

    jdhowe Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2013 Georgia

    Drank one on Saturday with a friend and we finished the bottle, but it took a bit of effort. Bottle was 220/408 if there is any correlation of off flavors with numbers.

    For the record, I really enjoyed Upland Kiwi.

    CoP was thicker in the body and a bit oily, but definitely less sour overall. I went in with no reference for what the fruit ought to taste like, so I can't comment on the level of fruit, but it wasn't obvious to me. It was not a great beer, but it was not undrinkable, either. I wouldn't trade for it at what that brewery's bottles command, and the experience makes me very hesitant to consider trading for other offerings from them, given what the bottles command. That said, I didn't get any acetone, and definitely didn't get any "garbage" flavors. Either the bottles vary wildly or there are people out there looking to jump on a popular negative opinion and pile on... but that would never happen on the internet...

    As for the trade, I think it's settled that you should do your "due diligence." If I commit to a trade, that's on me. At the same time, I want both parties to be happy, so if I was on the other side, I'd do what was necessary to make sure that happens.
     
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  16. CavemanRamblin

    CavemanRamblin Initiate (0) Jun 19, 2014 North Carolina

    Oh okay, this is an Upland sour that we're talking about. In that case I doubt it's infected, they're just gross like that.

    Kinda just kidding, but really I have not enjoyed the few sours I've had from them.
     
  17. RyanMcFly1985

    RyanMcFly1985 Savant (1,222) Oct 20, 2007 Ohio
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    Thanks for the info!
     
  18. MWolverines66

    MWolverines66 Savant (1,126) Mar 13, 2013 New York
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    I can see this going both ways. I agree with the due diligence part, but at the end of the day, the point is both sides to be happy, not "win the trade." If it was the case the person knew how crappy the beer was and traded it to you anyway, then that's a completely different story I feel. I actually had a deal to trade away my CoP to @Jaybeer13 who actually asked for the CoP to be included, but then saw the reviews and this forum and told him that we could take that part of the trade out, unless he really wanted to drink....which obviously he didn't ha.
     
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  19. rightcoast7

    rightcoast7 Maven (1,330) Apr 2, 2011 Maine
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    OP if I was in your shoes, I would have backed out, and honestly, not even thought twice about it.

    And if I was your trading partner, I would have called off the trade, told you it was totally cool, and no worries at all. If you hit the trade accept button, I expect you not to ditch me for a better deal, but I would never give someone a hard time for backing out before anything is shipped for a legitimate reason (changed their mind due to infection, family issue, etc.)
     
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