Bad Feedback / Neutral / No Feedback: @justlovebeer

OP hasn't said he backed out of the trade either just that he stopped communicating and the last time they talked he didn't have all the bottles yet. Given that he was still after bottles over a month after the initial trade was agreed to and the fact that he has 45 trades with 100% feedback I'm willing to wait to hear what he has to say. He hasn't been online since he was tagged here so why don't we give him a chance and see what he has to say?

Also regarding the other posts on backing out on trades (whether that is the case or not here remains to be seen)...it sucks, it's shitty and it pisses me the hell off but at the end of the day do you want to use negative or neutral feedback to basically force someone into a trade they don't want to do? My goal with every trade I do is for my recipient to come away saying they would love to do another trade with me again...if they don't then I did something wrong.

 

Love all the what ifs, maybe he couldn't get the bottles etc. But he is able to respond to a simple BM asking what's up, that's all it takes. There's no excuse for not answering the mail, pre trades are just that, shit happens, but a simple response ends this before it gets here.

 

Well said! Nobody is out anything here… I've traded with @justlovebeer and didn't have a problem and would trade with him again. Entitlement is ridiculous.

 

It is not about forcing someone to make a trade, it is the community holding people accountable for what some consider undesirable behavior. Someone makes a deal, they should stick to it, if there is a reasonable excuse, so be it, but surely many people backing out of deal find something better and back out, that is not cool.

OP has sent 4 messages to trader in question, no response at all. If he shows up and defends himself here maybe my opinion will change, but until he does I can only go with the facts presented by OP.

 

So I assume you would trade again with the person who backed out on you. How many blackouts are cool,with you? Is only once okay? How about if they did it 5 times, would you still arrange trades with them?

 

I'm probably gonna be in the minority here, but both traders should shoulder the responsibility for accepting a trade request without having all bottles "secured" on both ends. I've done my share of "pre-trades" and even when I'm 100% knowing I'm gonna score the bottle(s) on my end, its an unwritten rule in my book to discuss this ahead of time with my trade partner to accept a trade request only after all bottles have been secured. And no disrespect to the OP, but you'd have to be living under a rock to not know that Goose Island variants are the most sought after year in and year out, so there shouldn't have been any surprise there from the get go. Me personally, I wouldn't have left any feedback, because in my opinion, you were definitely getting the better end of the trade

 

I usually agree with your posts! I am on the side I don't care and/or it doesn't bother me. Bigger things in life to worry about then this. If I'm not out beer or shipping I honestly could care less. I've had a lot of great beer and still have a lot of great beer. It to me is Ticky Tack. So many want to get the sword and slay someone because they didn't get there way! And like @PatrickInAustinTx said, If it was fair from the start it can easily be reposted.

 

May not apply here but the problem with an assumed trade is a go, and you back out, is I just bought you your beer, I spent time running around. I'm not out beer, but I'm out money and the beer I had intended to send to you I now own. That's a problem, you trade addresses and unless something extraordinary happens you complete it, I'm sure there's exception that crop up once in a blue moon, and I drank them, I forgot, I changed my mind, my wife is pissed etc. don't count.

 

I agree there are bigger things in life , it IS just beer. I just come from a school where my word means something to me, and I expect the same. Doesn't matter what I give my word about, but that's just me and I realize not everyone feels the same.

My overall problem with these things is that it's my impression, and maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, that at the root of people backing out is they simply found a better deal . If that's not the case, all you have to do is explain what happenned.

As always, communication is key.

 

You've already left him feedback and public humiliation. I'm not sure what else your looking for, since you already know he doesn't have all the bottles from your "pre-trade". Its obvious he's moved on, couldn't get the bottles, or found a better offer. As I've said before, you both should accept responsibility for accepting a trade without bottles secured on BOTH ends. I'm not condoning his lack of communication, but why not move forward, post this same trade on the boards if you think it was "fair", and have the mods lock this up.

 

So would you like to see a call out thread every time someone backs out of an agreed upon trade?

To me call out threads are for two things...to try to force someone to send beer that they owe or to highlight negative feedback in the instance the trading function wasn't used. In this instance no beer was lost and the OP left appropriate feedback for the other trader. So the only reason for a call out thread in this instance is to force the shipment of beer right?

*Let me again highlight I think backing out of agreed upon trades is shitty

 

Why would you assume that?

 

It's the only assumption that logically follows. It doesn't bother you that someone backs out of a trade with you, you couldn't care less. So, naturally, it logically follows that you'd trade with that person again.

 

Why couldn't the logical assumption be that I WOULDN'T trade with that person? Just because I don't get all bent out of shape when my trade didn't stick? Again, if the trade was fair in the first place, just post up an ISO again. I don't agree with people backing out of trades for the most part. When it happens to me, I put those folks on my DNT list. But If they communicate with me and tell me that they don't wanna do the trade, regardless of the reason, I would be just fine with that (they still go on the naughty list). I wouldn't leave any sort of feedback though. I try not to get emotionally vested in beer trades unless something just flat out goes wrong. FTR I have had 2 people back out of trades for certain bottles but they still ended up sending me a "sorry box" to show remorse. Something that certainly wouldn't have happened if I went and wrote a thread about how shitty it was or left bad feedback.

In this situation, communication was lacking and at least deserves neutral feedback to warn others of the poor communication skills. When looking at a potential trade, the first thing I look for are comments of communication in their feedback.

 

This should be a "Neutral" with better explanation in the feedback. I'd say something along the line of "failed to follow through with agreed upon pre-trade, seems to have backed out and ignored all communications".

I've done a couple of pre-trades that I felt confident with my ability to procure beer when it comes out. However, I never submitted or accept a trade request until the beers are secured. My trade partners were well-aware of the potential risks and last-minute fall through.

ETA: If you don't want it to happen to other people, i.e putting the trader on your personal DNT list, it's fair to share that experience and reason to warn others if feedback is available. While there are bigger things to worry about, if other traders get their time wasted by the same backing out of trade traders, they'd have lesser time to "worry about bigger things"

 

LOL, glad to see that I could be the topic of such conversation on this. Sorry to say that life sometimes interferes with beer trading and in this instance it interfered far more than I could have ever imagined. But anyway. I accept the negative feedback. That is what the system is for anyway. You are correct I did not respond this last time. I also had circumstances that were way more important going on than this beer trade. If others don't want to trade with me because of that I have zero issue with it. Best of luck to you finding your bottles.

 

*Sigh* When are people you going learn that NO ONE is going to give you shit for running into circumstances that take priority over beer trading, but for fuck sake, COMMUNICATE that to the person you are dealing with. You were online multiple times and could've just said, "I'm sorry, I can't do the trade because I can't come up with the beers we agreed on due to extenuating circumstances" (took me the whole 3 seconds to type that, BTW). There are a million things that are "more important" than beer and trading, but wasting people time, leaving them hanging is inexcusable especially when you clearly had the time to check out the site.