Bad feedback retaliation

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by chippo33, Jul 30, 2014.

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  1. chippo33

    chippo33 Pooh-Bah (1,993) Feb 29, 2012 Vermont
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    I just had someone back out of a trade on me after I took multiple trips to the brewery to buy all these bottles for him over the past few months. He obviously deserves bad feedback. Is there any system set up on this site to protect me from receiving retaliation feedback from this individual (which will harm my reputation)?
     
  2. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,070) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
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    So I assume both of you already accepted trade requests?
     
  3. chippo33

    chippo33 Pooh-Bah (1,993) Feb 29, 2012 Vermont
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  4. Kurmaraja

    Kurmaraja Initiate (0) May 21, 2013 California
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    Good question - i've always wondered about this.
     
  5. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,070) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
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    I'm going to assume your answer is yes and I have the same question. I honestly haven't used the trade feedback system all that much since it became available but I have been diligent about using it over the past couple of months and will continue to do so, its there for a reason.

    Having said that, I also wonder what would happen if we both agree to a trade, I send out a trade request and xyz trader ends up backing out before shipping. Sure I can give a bad rating and try to explain myself with 120 characters (whatever it is) or less but what prevents the other trader from doing the same? Doesn't that essentially go back to posting a "bad trader" thread where it becomes a "he said, she said" type of deal where there is no definitive answer and both traders get a bad rep except now it is reflected on their trading status no matter whether they were right or wrong?

    Honest question, I'm trying to incorporate the system with every trade I do but I'm honestly not that familiar with it. Sorry I never answered your question OP, perhaps I just clarified it. Hopefully one of the MODS will chime in.
     
  6. chippo33

    chippo33 Pooh-Bah (1,993) Feb 29, 2012 Vermont
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    Without some type of protection system, no one is going to leave the appropriate bad feedback in fear of ruining their own reputation. I understand some people don't care, but I have over 100 feedback, and the individual who backed out of a promised trade has around 10, so my appropriate feedback wouldn't harm him as much as his retaliation would harm me.
     
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  7. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    We discussed this during development. The only way around this would be to not display or apply any feedback until both parties have left feedback, however, even then someone could edit their feedback once posted. And the only way around that would be to disable being able to edit feedback once posted.

    We've yet to get any reports of people abusing the system (which would result in an instant ban).
     
  8. Mag00n

    Mag00n Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2008 New York


    Id say it would harm him more. I see a trader with 10 feedback and 1 negative, I probably wouldnt bother. If I see someone with over 100 and 1 negative, Id still consider it. I agree with you though, its a tough situation and a very real possibility that theyll retailate. If I was you Id probably just leave neutral and type out what happened, although I get why youd want to leave negative.
     
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  9. mythaeus

    mythaeus Pooh-Bah (2,074) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Please leave the negative feedback and explain the best that you can so you can warn others of this trader. If he retaliates, start a bad trader/beware of thread with your side of the story, tag him, and link to that thread from your profile post (I always check my potential trade partner's profile). With your many good feedback, any trader would be curious about the story of the single negative one and would be satisfied with a bad/retaliatory trader thread.
     
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  10. markgugs

    markgugs Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New Jersey

    this

    I'd trade with @chippo33 in a second. This other guy? (hopefully it's not someone I've already traded with, lol). Not a chance.
     
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  11. Carp19

    Carp19 Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2013 North Carolina

    Let us know what you picked up and what you were trading for. Maybe others can help make it right.
     
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  12. markgugs

    markgugs Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New Jersey

    not to mention @chippo33, anyone with the trade reputation you have would typically be afforded a "benefit of doubt" situation. For example, I'd certainly speak with you, you'd likely explain what happened via BM, and that would suffice.

    But perhaps a simple fix here is timestamping the feedback, down to the minute. It would be easy to see which came first, the chicken or the egg.
     
  13. huskermike12

    huskermike12 Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2011 Vermont

    I think Todd's answer is very telling unless I'm reading between the lines and am wrong. If he leaves you negative feedback I assume that would qualify as abusing the system.
     
  14. chippo33

    chippo33 Pooh-Bah (1,993) Feb 29, 2012 Vermont
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    I feel bad giving anyone negative feedback, but his reason was that "we don't see eye to eye". Not seeing eye to eye is a perfectly common occurrence on the trade forums, but thats why you either move on and don't commit to a trade, or try and work something else out. This is after we both officially agreed on a specific trade and he was to ship out today. He sent me paypal to try and refund me for the 7 growlers I just filled (the trade involved bottles released over the past few months, and growelrs), but I declined the sent payment on principal. He told me that he doesn't care if I leave him negative feedback.
     
  15. MattOC

    MattOC Pooh-Bah (2,100) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
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    I'm nowhere near as prolific of a trader as some of you on here, but I got dinged with bad feedback AFTER I had left great feedback for a person I had traded with before. I was quite caught off guard and annoys me every time I see it in my profile. IMO it was not warranted either, but now it's there and nothing can change it.

    @chippo33 I would leave the negative feedback. Like many on here have said, although I don't know you, your rep would speak for itself in spite of someone being vindictive even though they were at fault.
     
  16. RKing44

    RKing44 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2012 Massachusetts

    Doesn't surprise me seeing who it was leaving the feedback. Yeah, that sucks.
     
  17. jshusc

    jshusc Pooh-Bah (1,654) Aug 16, 2013 South Carolina
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    Not to highjack OP's thread, but I gotta admit I'm curious. The difference b/t your feedback left and hers is pretty significant, and seems harsh that you've gotten dinged from what appeared to be from your feedback a successful trade.
    Can you enlighten me on what the hell happened there?

    I'd be REAL pissed if I got dinged for a trade I wasn't aware had gone bad. One of the realities of the feedback system is that it DOES in fact matter...a great deal in fact to me and I would guess other BAs like @markgugs, @cfh64, @mythaeus and some of the other regulars you see in these threads.
     
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  18. Mag00n

    Mag00n Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2008 New York

    Gotta agree with this. Negative feedback should only be left for people who steal from you or otherwise commit some dubious behavior(possibly like in the op of this thread). Seems like MattOc should have gotten neutral at the absolute worse(dont know whole story though)
     
  19. jshusc

    jshusc Pooh-Bah (1,654) Aug 16, 2013 South Carolina
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    Don't know why it bothers me so much, but her feedback suggests problems on both ends. If she goofs too, I'm thinking neutral (at worst). Dunno the whole story, but this one bothers me.
     
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  20. Kurmaraja

    Kurmaraja Initiate (0) May 21, 2013 California
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    I think this situation also applies to the "ok" feedback. I've done some trades where I feel like "ok" is appropriate but went ahead with "good" out of retaliation fear. I don't see anyone using the "ok" feature and assume many people do the same. That's often less clear cut than "good" or "bad" and I doubt anyone would be accused of abusing the system for leaving a retaliative "ok."
     
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