Bad Procedures?

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  1. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    Good Morning!

    The last two beers I've brewed (all-grain), I was going for a straw yellow hue. SRM around 4.5. I brewed my most recent beer on September 3rd. I bottled this past Saturday the 17th. I popped one last night which is early, I know, but I like to see how my beer does in stages. It's got more of a brown hue to it. This happened to my last beer too. I can't help but think I'm doing something procedural wrong.

    To start, I used distilled water and add salts from Bru'n Water. Target pH 5.3. 2:1 chloride:sulfates. I added salts to the water as I was heating to strike temp.

    I have a 1318 starter. Stir plate. 2 packets per Mr.Malty.

    My recipe: 69.5% Rahr 2-row, 25% oat malt, 1.6% carared, and 3.9% dextrine. I mash in a 10 gal cooler at 151 degrees for an hour. No mash out. Sparge with about 170 degree water. Let it rest 15ish minutes and drain. I first wort some warrior. Boil was 60 min. I added 1 oz citra/mosaic at 10 min. 4 oz citra/mosaic at flamout/whirlpool. 5 oz citra/mosaic dry hop.

    I have a freezer ferment chamber, temperature controlled. Fermentation was at 65 degrees. Looked strong. This was the first time I've used the chamber and probably the best looking fermentation I've had yet. I added dry hops on day 5 and bumped the temp up to 68 for 2 days. Then to 70 for the rest of it's time in the chamber. Dry hop was loose for 9 days. In total grain to bottle in 2 weeks.

    Anything look wrong or anything I can clarify to help me out here? Any help is much appreciated!
     
  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    If I want something ~ 4.5 SRM, I would use only a light base malt and probably a Pilsner Malt at that.
    Edit: (with Acidulated Malt and maybe some Carapils)
     
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  3. runbirddrinkbeer

    runbirddrinkbeer Pooh-Bah (1,722) Oct 24, 2009 Florida
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    I know dextrin malt doesn't add much color, and 1.6 percent carared is not huge.....what was your OG and FG?
     
  4. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    My OG was 1.05 and FG was 1.01. It's not that I'm looking at how to get a SRM of 4.5. It seems as though the finished beer is much darker and why?
     
  5. brunascle

    brunascle Crusader (438) Nov 4, 2010 Massachusetts

    Brownish color with pale hoppy beers can be a sign of oxidation, which could be a procedure issue. Does the color seem to be darker now than it was during fermentation and at bottling?
     
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  6. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Did you decant? What did the starter look/smell like?
     
  7. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    Yes, even in the four days between bottling it and my first taste. It's definitely darker. But I though oxidation took longer to take hold?

    I opened my big mouth bubbler twice during fermentation. Once because the airlock around my thermowell wasn't sealing properly so I got a new one and switched out. That was like day 2 or 3. The second was to drop the dry hop in on day 5. Other than that, I took the thermowell out and used the whole for my auto-siphon. I made sure not to splash as I took it out of the freezer and moved it around. I made sure it wasn't splashing when we were siphoning. I had a lid on the bottling bucket to make sure stuff would get in there.
     
  8. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    I did. It smelled like beer. I used pilsner dme and two packets of 1318 per MrMalty. It was on the stir plate for 2 days and cold crashed for 2. I brought it out on brew day, decanted and left out to bring to room temp.

    My last brew was the first I've done a starter for. That one used 007. That smelled like banana bread which was interesting...
     
  9. brunascle

    brunascle Crusader (438) Nov 4, 2010 Massachusetts

    I've had at least one batch where oxidation set it immediately. I stupidly opened the fermentor and stirred up the yeast way too many times trying to coax it to fully attenuate.

    I'm still working through oxidation issues of my own so I don't yet have a ton of advice. But could I ask you how you dry hopped? Floating on the surface? In a bag? Submerged?
     
  10. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    I usually dry hop lose. This time I had a thick krausen so I took a sanitized spoon to move it a little to let the pellets fall in. I've used bag before.

    I guess my problem is I haven't really changed my process since I've started and I didn't have much issue with oxidation. It's been since I started doing starters, cold crashing and fermentation chambering.
     
  11. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I would go with either your grain bill wasn't going to get you to 4.5 anyway (like @GreenKrusty101 ) i would only attempt this with Pilsner, or oxidation.
     
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  12. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    I used Brewer's Friend that gave me my 4.5 srm number.
     
  13. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    And if it is oxidation, where am I getting that much in my process?
     
  14. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Could be off on measurements. Could be variation in actual malt compared to Brewer's Friend specs.
     
  15. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    The auto-siphon may be an issue. I tried one but it always had air bubbles in it.
     
  16. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Suppose your friendly homebrew shop provided you with a darker crystal malt than the one you asked for ...?
     
  17. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    Is that enough to oxidize an entire 5 gal batch?
     
  18. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    I mean, I guess... I bought it in person at northern brewer in Milwaukee. I guess I could have grabbed the wrong one but this is 2 batches now which makes me think its more of a trend than something random like that.
     
  19. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    Is there an easier/better way to bottle without having to transfer? I would use the spigot on my carboy but I usually have a lot of hot/cold break on the bottom as well as hop debris.

    And I know... I know. Kegging would be easier.
     
  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have been siphoning beer for 20+ years without problems. I should caveat that I have never used an auto-siphon; I siphon the old fashion way.

    The below video sort of shows how I siphon:

     
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