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Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by JohnConnorforealthistime, Sep 22, 2016.

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  1. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    Interesting. I usually just give it a pump. Can a little pump give it that much oxygen?
     
  2. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    Hmm interesting. I've been using brewers friend for my recipe calculator. I put the same malt bill into BYO's calculator and it gives me an srm of 7.9. Wtf gives? 7.9 is probably actually closer to what I have. What calculators does everyone else use?
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Since I have never used an auto-siphon I am in no position to respond here.

    Maybe @kellyst can provide his opinion on this matter.

    Cheers!
     
  4. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I was thinking you bought ingredients for 2 batches at once and got something mixed up. If completely isolated and independent, then unlikely
     
  5. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Most software is as bad at predicting color as FG :slight_smile:
     
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  6. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    Even the Brewcipher I got from here tells me estimated srm 4. So am I supposed to completely write off color as any kind of indicator as a homebrewer or any hope of going for a look? How do I make a beer that I want lighter color?
     
  7. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Use only pilsner malt or wheat malt, don't over-boil, don't use a stir plate, and be careful when xfering/racking/packaging...imho.
     
  8. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    Don't use a stir plate?
     
  9. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    Also, cold crashing wouldn't make beers darker would it?
     
  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Yes, controversial to be sure...but 3 out of 4 ain't bad :slight_smile:
     
  11. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    Haha why do you say that. Also, I look at like tired hands. They use only 2 row and oat malt. They are getting very light beers.
     
  12. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Ok, you have looked behind the curtain, and the reality is that color just doesn't matter if the beer tastes good. Case in point, a Black India Ale I have on tap currently. It looks like a stout, but tastes like an IPA. Even BJCP only gives appearance a paltry 3 points out of 50. Another example: NEIPAs...look like gravy...taste delicious. :slight_smile: Cheers
     
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  13. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Oats are for animal feed...they don't count :slight_smile:
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    When you make a starter using a stir plate you oxidize the starter. If you properly decant all of the liquid then you allegedly discard all of the oxidized starter liquid but if you don't you are pitching some oxidized starter liquid into your beer.

    It is entirely your personal choice how you want to 'manage' this situation.

    Cheers!
     
  15. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    @JohnConnorforealthistime I started brewing with the traditional siphoning method and switched to an auto-siphon because of the ease of use. Easy to start, for sure , but I always had a lot of air obviously in the line during siphoning, and quickly switched back to the traditional method. I have read other homebrewer complaints over the years regarding auto-siphons. To me the difference was so obvious that it should be noticeable by looking at the racking canes.
     
  16. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Pilsner malt instead of 2 row.
     
  17. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    I have a big mouth bubbler so I don't think I can use the standard siphon method. I did however watch the video starting the auto siphon with water which is interesting.

    From what I've read, it's pretty hard to oxidize your wort with a starter. But I didn't start having issues until I started using one. Is it possible? Is it possible I'm not as clean as I think I am? Can something being dirty cause my wort to become infected and turn darker?
     
  18. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Does it taste off, or just look darker than you expected? If it doesn't taste infected, I doubt it is.

    I suspect the color change is due to the grains you used. Admittedly, I have very limited experience with grains. But most of the fine gentlemen here seem to think it is a grain issue and they have many more years of combined experience than I have. But just for fun, why don't you make another batch, either a full one or a half batch, and make a single malt beer with 2-row? Use the same procedure, and equipment. Do everything the same, except the grain. With an SRM of 2, I think that will be a good way to eliminate variables.
     
  19. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    If color is that critical leave out the cara-red to begin with. 2% won't contribute anything but color. I have a rye pale on tap made with just 60% 2 row pale and 40% malted rye, it's the color of regular Budweiser, probably in the 4-6 SRM range if I guessed.
    I can't think of any process that will darken your beer that fast, my oxidized beers usually have been in the bottle a year at least before they turn dark and nasty. Stick with very pale malts, especially Pilsner if that light color is important(it's not to me, because I brew for myself). I have friends who will only drink the palest stuff imaginable so I do have some on tap, but I don't ever obsess over color into account when I design a beer.
     
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