Bad trader @BDavidson14

I have to believe that something went completely wrong, otherwise why would the OP bring this up for "all to view" when he easily could have sent this out to league members only in a BM ( which maybe he already did, or felt he needed a broader audience for opinions). Bottom line, unless @cavedave comes in to give his side of the story, people aren't going to give him the benefit of the doubt including myself.

 

He's been a member since 2009 and is universally considered to be one of the best out there...I think some benefit of the doubt has been earned. I'm not saying it's some free pass...but especially in this instance, I'd say hold those horses. Seems like in many of these threads people are condemned within hours of something being posted. Maybe that's justified in most cases, but not in this one.

 

Did you not read the part that said he needed to explain his side. I don't care if the guy was a day one member with 1,000 trades. Just the other day there was a member with 95+ trades that screwed a bunch of people over. Let him give his side of the story. I'm not saying he's guilty, but surely he doesn't get a free pass without speaking up.

 

I typed out a response but between having too many beers and not being involved in this situation directly...who cares what I think. I don't disagree with your point, but I'm also giving Dave the benefit of the doubt and unlike many of these threads where it's guilty until proven innocent, in this situation I'll stick with the opposite presumption.

 

No worries man. Im giving him the benefit of the doubt myself. I've looked at his "stats", and honestly I love his avatar and from what I gather (don't know him personally) he seems to bring a lot to BA. My post was more so the " silent mode" and not responding to this thread would erase my benefit of the doubt. I hope this all gets resolved, as I hate these types of threads.

Cheers!!

 

Couldn't have said it better. And if this doesn't get resolved, it will send a rift through the beer time/space continuum!

 

Okay this message will be my last thoughts, and I don't really care what anyone thinks of me.

I did ask for help, as this was to be my first Fantasy League. I am not going to go through all the trouble to bring back the messages, I did try to figure out how it all works, I had trouble logging in to the league, I sent a great box to my pre season target, I got no box, at that point I figured well I send random boxes to folks, I'll make that a random box, and forget the whole thing. I didn't participate in the draft, no one noticedI didn't participate in the play, no one noticed, just like with the box I was supposed to get, and my asking for help

If I owe another box(es) now well sure, since this is the first communication I have had about this whole thing since I asked for help months ago and I didn't draft and I didn't play, and I didn't get help, and I didn't get my preseason box, I'm easy, send me who to send a box(es) to and I will send another box(es), of course why wouldn't I at this point, I had so much fun with this BIF after all. Yes, sarcasm

Since @Cuzco seems to be saying he investigated all this, and now publicly too, perhaps he can post the name of the guy was supposed to send me a box and explain how he didn't get a tracking number for that box but didn't notice that either?, or if he did get a tracking number, then where is the box? or maybe he can't find that info also? This is the kettle of fish I didn't want to open, but here we are.

Believe what you want of me, put me on the list, but I guarantee I will be first person on that list for SENDING a great box, but not getting one.

If I had it to do over I would have definitely flooded his inbox with additional messages asking for help, but apparently the reason I didn't (he is so busy with all the BIF he is involved in) is the same reason he wasn't able to keep track of my asking for help or my sender not giving him a tracking number in the first place, apparently.

It's a mess, and this is the exact mess I tried to avoid. all I wanted to do was join a fantasy football league for the first time, it ended up to be my sending out a random great box, getting ignored and I was okay with that too.

Now this will be my last words on subject, for real this time, make of them what you will, believe what you will, and thanks for everything. Cheers!

 

Wow, next thing we are going to find out there is no Santa Claus! Cavedave would be one of the last people I would expect to see on a thread like this. His stellar reputation speaks for itself, but in the couple of years I have corresponded with Dave on here and the one time we drank together, he has shown himself to be very generous and a top notch BA.

Cuzco - Thanks for handling this thread, I am sure this has not been easy to do and like other things where people step up and lead and organize, it sometimes can be a thank-less job.

Now that all parties have weighed in, seems pretty simple to me. It appears that communication because of circumstances led to this. Like many of these threads lack of communication (not blaming anyone) led to this thread and circumstance.

As far as I can tell Dave sent a box, had some problems, tried to get help, communication went wrong somewhere and since he never actually participated in the league he just let the whole thing go. He actually is out a box. Dave, being impartial here, you probably should have not left the conversations and worked this out before it came to this.

As far as I can tell, there is no harm no foul here.

 

I'm really confused no surprise there, but if Dave sent out a great box and never received a box or any simple communication helping him. I'm failing to see what he did wrong here. What kinda deal is that to send out boxes to blind targets, but you get nothing out of it? You could get satisfaction of hooking up a past trader with no comp, just a thanks is all if it came to that. Looks like simple miscommunication, I sincerly doubt Dave is a bad guy here, and if he asked for help and got no reply what was his recourse? I probably would have done the same thing if things were off, I didn't understand what was what, and I sent out a box for Butkus. I'd drop it, there is no way I would make Dave a bad trader here. Just my .02.

 

Well, unfortunately, that is not entirely true. Unless he sends out whatever is owed to the league winner(s) there will be another party impacted in this situation. Someone who put the time and effort into winning a FF league. As someone who has been playing FF for 10+ years I can understand why they would be upset with that.

 

The winner(s) of the league, who put the time and effort into doing that would be getting screwed as well.

 

I have participated in a number of FF leagues, and would truthfully have thought this would have been addressed long ago within the league when it had to become blatantly obvious that a team was not active through both auto drafting and never submitting/changing line up etc. if I won this league, I also would ASSUME that this lack of participation would also mean that no box would be forthcoming from an inactive team. I also wouldn't want to collect any prizes (as a league winner) if someone hadn't indeed put forth ANY indication that they were actually an active participant. If he drafted a team, managed it for a while early on and then lost interest due to poor performance that is a different story. This sounds to me like he was out from the beginning to me. Truthfully, this one sounds like something the league commissioner should have addressed back in September.

 

This sums it up quite well. I will add that everyone in the league should be held responsible as well considering that he never changed his lineup throughout the year. There had to be multiple games where he had people on a bye week in his lineup, which surely would have raised a "red flag" for his opponents playing him. Surely someone would or should have said something (commish or opponent). I'm not blaming anyone one person, but the "fault" here lies on multiple people in the league.

 

If I was the winner and got one less box because of this situation, based on Dave's explanation I would not be upset with him at all.

 

Exactly he really never participated after shipping out a box, shouldn't that have been a clue to whoever that something was off? I don't understand how there isn't lots of Comm on something like this, and any player who drops off the face of the earth should be noticed.

 

I just cant understand signing up for a league and not participating. It is not the other members of the leagues fault that someone is not playing.

 

As Dave explained, he had never been in one of these leagues before, tried to get setup, had problems, asked for help, got no response. Coupled with sending out a box and not receiving one back, he just let it go.

Never been in a league like this before, but people not participating has to be a common thing. I am sure people watch these things like hawks, someone should have noticed Dave was not playing and adjusted accordingly.

 

I guess I would be less upset if he was more upfront about. I count, unless I am wrong, one attempt to make contact about him not participating after making a commitment to. There were threads he could have posted in to let all members of the league know he was not going to be participating.

Edit - I am approaching this solely from how I would feel as someone who put in the effort to win a league. I would be upset, and justifiably so IMO.