Bad Trader: @bstyle

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  1. SierraNevallagash

    SierraNevallagash Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2018 Maine
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    Make no mistake, I'm not happy about any of this. Yes, I'm glad the main issue was resolved (getting the return box), but that's the only bright side to this multifaceted issue. I definitely wouldn't say I'm fine with how this turned out. Quite the opposite, in fact. It's just sad.
     
    #221 SierraNevallagash, Mar 6, 2020
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  2. 4truth

    4truth Pundit (806) Jan 30, 2015 Illinois
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    If BT didn't dick you around for two months, it never would've happened. BT created a problem which was only solved when you called his ass out.
     
    #222 4truth, Mar 6, 2020
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  3. SierraNevallagash

    SierraNevallagash Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2018 Maine
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    I begged for this piece of information. It would have really helped, and I said if nothing else, at least give it to me, and I'll post it. Unfortunately, I can almost promise it isn't going to happen. I made it very clear that's the best thing that you could do, and it will go a long way for some credibility. I haven't even seen the "original tracking number", I highly doubt any one else is going to either.
     
    #223 SierraNevallagash, Mar 6, 2020
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  4. TimG_0913

    TimG_0913 Initiate (0) Oct 6, 2014 Delaware
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    I'm 99.9% sure there was no exception or original tracking. I do believe that something has to come out of this BT thread. Someone was clearly a BT here and we can't let this go without anything being done about it. If this goes without any repercussions, we failed as a community.
     
    #224 TimG_0913, Mar 6, 2020
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  5. 7irondave

    7irondave Pooh-Bah (1,918) Jun 22, 2016 Massachusetts
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    translation:
    The original tracking number never existed and he lied to you and the whole BA community since he had the chance to clear the air on this thread.

    Just another reason why he is a bad trader, deserves a negative review and the BT tag
     
    #225 7irondave, Mar 6, 2020
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  6. dmbforever

    dmbforever Initiate (0) May 8, 2013 Wisconsin
    Trader

    To be clear, as a moderator, we can NOT enforce people to accept the trade request. That is why we are leaving the bad trader title as is and not *resolved* because atleast there is is one avenue to cross reference on the bad trader @bstyle

    We can NOT also tag traders with the red banner anymore.

    At the end of the day its trade at your own risk, there is ONLY so much we can do as moderators and a community.

    Appreciate the help from everyone, as without this thread, the OP wouldnt have gotten his box....and yes the system we have is not perfect.

    Looks like we are done here.

    Cheers!!
     
    #226 dmbforever, Mar 6, 2020
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  7. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
    Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    OK. So a couple of last things I would like to say before closing this thread (I'll try to keep this concise and succinct).

    @SierraNevallagash confirmed that the contents of the box he received were acceptable and included pretty much everything he was hoping for. That's always the primary purpose of these BT trades, and I'm glad to see @SierraNevallagash got the box of beer he was hoping for in the end.

    With respect to the @bstyle, it would appear he continues to be completely in denial about his responsibility for what took place. @SierraNevallagash showed me a number of screen shots of some of their text dialogue, most of which were laced with profanities and were borderline threatening (the one's from @bstyle). Repeatedly, he told @SierraNevallagash that he wanted the BT thread closed immediately, and he clearly held @SierraNevallagash responsible for not getting it shut down.

    There are a couple of things that I found interesting about @bstyle's behavior in this whole sorry mess. Although he clearly feels blameless, and feels that he was victimized by @SierraNevallagash, not once did he ever express any interest in trying to defend himself in this thread, or any interest in explaining his actions (repeated promises to ship the beer he owed @SierraNevallagash that were never fulfilled, until the BT thread was created).

    One of the things I mentioned to @SierraNevallagash early on... as BT behavior goes, this particular episode is/was not all that egregious. It would have been so easy (not to mention appropriate) for @bstyle to come on this thread, mention that he was busy and time got away from him, that he would now get the box out immediately, and maybe apologize for the inconvenience he caused. My guess is that most of us would have understood that kind of response, and most of us would have given him a pass, with the recommendation that he do a better job communicating with his trading partners in the future. Yet apparently that thought never entered his mind.

    Anyway, @SierraNevallagash mentioned that @bstyle did accept the renewed trade request, and so he will now be able to leave appropriate feedback for this latest fiasco.

    I'll leave this thread open for a few more hours if anyone would like to comment further, and will then close the thread down later tonight.
     
    #227 John_M, Mar 6, 2020
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  8. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
    Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Am reopening this thread again briefly, in light of a beer mail I just received from @SierraNevallagash. Both members have now provided trade feedback, with @SierraNevallagash providing the following on 3/13/20:

    "Took 2 months of asking to ship and a BT thread but a box did come with some great beers and a few missing. Wont trade again, but resolved." Trade experience was rated as bad.

    Yesterday @bstyle also provided feedback, stating the following:

    "I sent a Westy 12, Beatification and Fuzzy for simple shelf offerings. This guy doesn’t have many fans, there might be a reason for that." Trade experience was rated as bad.

    I reviewed this thread again to refresh my memory of everything that took place, and the only conclusion I can reach is that @bstyle has provided retaliatory feedback in response to the feedback provided on 3/13/20. While I think the feedback provided by @SierraNevallagash is understandable and justified, I cannot reach the same conclusion with respect to the feedback left by @bstyle.

    @Todd. This is your call of course, but I feel @bstyle's behavior can only be characterized as retaliatory, and consequently it would be recommendation that he be banned from BA.
     
    #228 John_M, Apr 24, 2020
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  9. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
    Mod Team BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    @John_M it seems that @bstyle left negative feedback ... seems like this might be retaliatory feedback for the negative feedback left by @SierraNevallagash. As far as I can tell from this thread, Sierra did nothing to deserve bad feedback.Being verbose and indecisive about handling this thread doesn't mean he deserves bad feedback - he sent his box and abided by the trade agreement.
     
    #229 FBarber, Apr 24, 2020
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  10. TimG_0913

    TimG_0913 Initiate (0) Oct 6, 2014 Delaware
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    So how do we understand or not if the feedback left for @SierraNevallagash was retaliatory or not. Is @bstyle still an active member, not sure how we prove if the feedback was retaliatory or not.
     
    #230 TimG_0913, Apr 24, 2020
  11. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
    Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Agreed. Just took a couple minutes to compose my complete response, with cut outs from the 2 feed back narratives.
     
    #231 John_M, Apr 24, 2020
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  12. SierraNevallagash

    SierraNevallagash Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2018 Maine
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    I received very clearly retaliatory negative feedback because of this, which has impacted my trader score when it should not have in any way.

    I would just like to note once again that we agreed to a trade, I sent a request which was accepted, I promptly put together a very large box with some specific wants of the trader that can be seen on his profile, plus a ton of extra beer - much of it being brewery-only, I shipped in a very timely manner and provided tracking, and the trader expressed great satisfaction with my box, telling me I sent much more than enough.

    Trader didn't ship for over two months with countless promised dates, and one claiming he shipped, which never resulted in a box. Ended up starting a BT thread, which eventually led to receiving a box. I left appropriate feedback for the trader, and then right before the trade expired, I have been left this retaliatory, inappropriate negative feedback, which has docked my reputation as a result - despite the trader being satisfied with the box, and me going above and beyond the promised trade.
     
    #232 SierraNevallagash, Apr 24, 2020
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  13. Vidblain

    Vidblain Pooh-Bah (1,893) Feb 17, 2017 Minnesota
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Agreed. If shelfies were the terms of the trade, then @bstyle only has himself to blame for agreeing to the trade. That has zero bearing on anything.

    Retaliatory feedback, for sure.
     
    #233 Vidblain, Apr 24, 2020
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  14. SierraNevallagash

    SierraNevallagash Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2018 Maine
    Trader

    I should also note, there were no real terms to begin with, execpt a few specific beers (which I sent) and a few specific beers (which he sent some of), and the agreement that he'd match my box $4$. He requested a few things, and I included them, the rest he left up to me. Any hoppy beer that was sent was all very fresh and within his preferred window.
     
    #234 SierraNevallagash, Apr 24, 2020
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  15. KevinJohnson2

    KevinJohnson2 Savant (1,049) Jul 8, 2013 Michigan
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    Over/under on the number of minutes before @bstyle drops a response of "my trade history speaks for itself and I don't need to justify my clearly retaliatory feedback to you all"?
     
    #235 KevinJohnson2, Apr 24, 2020
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  16. mountaindewORcrabjuice

    mountaindewORcrabjuice Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2017 Connecticut
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    Feel like @SierraNevallagash left feedback that was pretty factual with some positive notes sprinkled in to be very decent (even though he didn't have to be) about the whole situation.

    @bstyle on the other hand, launched a rather personal attack that was the equivalent of a child teasing a classmate for being impoverished and having no friends because of it. On top of that, the scales of fault for the actual trade objectively lean heavy on @bstyle's side.

    I don't usually chime in on these BT threads, but it doesn't sit well with me that both users are incurring the same quantifiable punishment of negative feedback.
     
    #236 mountaindewORcrabjuice, Apr 24, 2020
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  17. UcDru

    UcDru Maven (1,363) Aug 15, 2013 Ohio
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    Agree with the above. From the outside and the story we have in the thread this seems like retaliatory feedback.

    It's possible @bstyle could shed information we haven't been privy to on why he rated the transaction as bad but without that information (if it exists) then we only have what has been presented which doesn't seem worthy of negative feedback.
     
    #237 UcDru, Apr 24, 2020
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  18. SierraNevallagash

    SierraNevallagash Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2018 Maine
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    I would also love to hear his reasoning for leaving negative feedback. My only rule is that he can't say, "Because @SierraNevallagash tagged me in a bad trader thread" - it has to pertain to our trade, and my quality as a trader.

    I already know this can't possibly be done, but I'd still like to hear some justification.
     
    #238 SierraNevallagash, Apr 24, 2020
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  19. SierraNevallagash

    SierraNevallagash Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2018 Maine
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    Context for the start of the trade after the request was sent and accepted
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    I can provide more, but this just highlights the timeframe, the terms of the trade, when he got the box, etc..
     
    #239 SierraNevallagash, Apr 24, 2020
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  20. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    While I would like to hear an explanation as well, I think it's unlikely we're going to get one. He pretty much refused to provide any explanation for what transpired in the BT thread, simply stating (over and over again) that his perfect trade feedback score spoke for itself.
     
    #240 John_M, Apr 24, 2020
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