*Bad Trader List Update* Matty_Monster

Ray Donovan handles my problems.

 

Nominee for "reply/quote" of the year.[/quote]

 

What just happened here?

 

Hypothetically of course, if the house is called 10+ times over the course of 2 weeks at different times of the day and no one answers or returns messages then I think 2 am is a perfectly reasonable time to try. Why not? They obviously arent home any other time of the day and/or are purposely ignoring the call.

I give everyone the genefit of the doubt but if this guy was flaunting my beers on Instagram, antagonizing me through texts by telling me to come do something about it, etc I would skip all cordial ways of dealing with it and get aggressive real quick.

Obviously everyone has their own thoughts of how to deal with someone who steals from them and I don't think anyone is right or wrong but some ways may be more effective than others. Personally' I don't see anything wrong with any of the methods people have mentioned so far for dealing with this scumbag. I also won't judge someone or say something is over the line when someoned is a victim of theft.

Seriously, this POS STOLE from the OP and its happeneing to more and more of us on BA. Yes there a ways to protect yourself, yes part of the blame falls on the victim but it doesn't mean the victim should just accept it. It's kind of disgruntling to see people point their finger at the OP (or anyone who gets burned in a trade) rather then the thief. Then to encourage them to chalk it up to "a lesson learned" and tell them to forget about it blows my mind.

I consider myself to be understanding and patient but I have 0 (zero) sympathy for people like this. I would honestly wait for a couple of months for my end of trade as long as there was communication. Hell, if "life happened" then I may even send you an extra box of beer to cheer you up but this case in particular is throwing salt in the wound. The guy sends out pictures of him with the OP's beers/meads and then antagonizes him. A phone call at 2 a.m? laughable. It would go well beyond that if it were me.

Our "community" is known for generosity and trust. This POS came in here to take advantage of that trust and generosity by setting up a trade and STEALING from the OP. This is happening more and more and it directly effects us as community IMO. I wish there were a group of people, under oldp0rt of course that specifically dealt with scum like this and made them think twice about stealing from any of us.

 

If the OP were to report this dude for theft to the po-po, the police would not be concerned with time of day or circumstances if they were to investigate. In fact, they would show up at this guy's house (actually his mommy's house) whenever they want to, and then most likely would encounter this dude's mommy so she can yell down to the basement where he most likely lives and tapes his youtube beer reviews and takes pictures for utappd and instagram, so he could come upstairs and be interviewed by the police. Then the whole neighborhood would know.

The only "over-the-line" action I've seen occur thus far is the THEFT dude formerly known as Matty_Monster committed against OP.

If y'all have been paying attention, you would have noticed that Andrew posted yesterday that "Matty" sent him a message saying he would paypal him $160 by Wednesday of this week, and send him some beer. If that in fact does occur, then that would make it quite obvious that at least some portion of Andrew's actions since the incident precipitated this restitution (aka what he has been doing must have at least partially worked).

When a person commits a crime, he is voluntarily forfeiting certain rights other law-abiding citizens are entitled to. Quit defending the perp.

 

For fuck's sake. I wasn't defending the guy who stole from him. Nowhere have I ever defended him. I've said he was an asshole and in the wrong, but I also don't think that if someone is an asshole to you that gives you a right to be an asshole to his family (I don't give a shit about the actual "perp"). It was never stated until now that he tried calling 10+ times at more appropriate times of the day; just previous posts saying that he called at 2am. And I'm pretty sure the cops would laugh at you, take a report and say they have better shit to take care of than $160 of beer. Not go busting in on some houses at 2am.

So basically you (and a few other people apparently) are condoning vigilantism, violence and bodily harm? That is over the line IMO and speaks a lot about the type of person that you are.

 

this is EXACTLY what i've been thinking re: the matty apologists

 

Did I ever say anything specifically about violence or bodily harm? No. You can interpret what I said how you want to but unless I specifically stated something then don't act like I actually said it. When I said "I won't judge something or say something is over the line" I didn't think I needed to specify arson, murder, ****, etc.

Does bodily harm include a good spanking because I do condone that, he could use it.

Edit: forgot to answer your statement about vigiliantism. Do I condone it in this instance? Within reason, yes. You said it yourself, cops would laugh at us so therefore there is no legal course of action to take. If taking the matter into my own hands as I see fit to get back what is mine or what is owed to me (within the law) then yes I'm a vigilante.

 

That's what it sounds like to me. I mean...what the fuck else are you supposed to do? Extend some kind of respect and/or courtesy to the person who stole from you? Turn the other cheek?

Sounds entirely too respectful a manner in which to deal with an individual who didn't extend even the slightest bit to you.

 

When someone doesn't live up to their end of the bargain, the best thing to do is just chalk it up as a loss, and keep it to yourself as to not look foolish for being duped.

 

You got that right, sure as hell don't start a thread about it so people can point out how naive and stupid you are.

Of course I'm being somewhat sarcastic, I know there are plenty of awesome BA's who step up to the plate every time someone gets shafted in a trade and offer to send whatever beers that person never received. Kudos and thankyou to those BA's and it is also important to let the rest of us know who the dbag is.

 

When people are talking about being willing to go a lot further than Andrew, then yeah, that does imply that they'd be willing to physically confront the other party. Which I think is the point of making that kind of threat.

 

Lol, no it absoutely doesn't. It sounds like you're the one hung up on this violence issue not anyone else. Did Andrew pull the old school ordering 30 pizzas to his house from 15 different pizza places? For the record, I'm not saying thats right either but thats going a lot further than Andrew did and doesn't have anything to do with violence. I could also confront the guy in person but it doesn't have to be physical. What if he worked at XYZ restaurant and I walked in and made a big scene? Again, I'm not advocating doing that but its not violent.

C'mon man, seriously, you're making very broad and false accusations. You think what I said says a lot about who I am but you have no idea because all you're doing is making assumptions. If you think I'm someone who doesn't take stealing lightly and will go to great lengths to rectify the situation then you'd be right but to accuse me of doing it violently is falsely assuming.

 

I have something to say, but it's against popular opinion...

I think there is shared responsibility between both parties. It's not equal; far from it. If we remember correctly, Andrew did send $160 worth of limited mead to a guy on the internet without settling on the package that Matty_Monster was going to send back. I think some of the responsibility is on Andrew for not working out all the details first and entering into a "trade" with someone without fully understanding the deal. Andrew has the right to be compensated for his loss and I hope that is the outcome of this. Matty deserves to be punished and banned from the beer trading community for taking advantage of someone he felt he had power over.

Before you burn me at the stake, you'll notice that only one of them has made it onto my avatar.

 

When the police do this it's called an investigation. So it has to be legal, right?

 

Anyways, as others have mentioned, this thread has run its course and served a good purpose. I don't want it getting deleted so I'm done with the semantics. Think what you want of me. If you think I'm such a bad guy for calling someone at 2 in the morning (even if I hadn't already tried calling them 10 times) then thats your prerogative. If you don't want to ever trade with me or anyone else in this thread who you think advocates violence (even though no on specified that but you) then don't trade with me. If you don't want to ever have to worry about me screwing you over in a trade then by all means hit me up sometime but don't expect to not send your end of the deal and not ever hear from me again. Cheers!

Edit: Ahhhh...nothing like another heated BA debate, time for a drink . If you've been the victim of a bad trade and have submitted your bad trade to oldp0rt then be on the look out. I've been meaning to start and LIF for all my homies that have been shafted in trades and this thread, along with all the other recent bad trade threads, have brought it back to my attention. Details will follow in the LIF section in the next few weeks or sooner.

 

Exactly. At the very least send A box, not NO box. So yeah, nailed it.

 

Cool victim blaming, guys.

 

Biggest takeaways from this thread for me are:

-Instagram trading prob not the best idea
-Trading with someone who uses the word monster in his handle probably not the best idea
-If you get ripped off, tactful harassment and vigilant stalking may help you get your beer or money back, but even if it doesn't it will make you feel better

 

I'm saying that this whole situation could have been avoided if several things would have changed with both parties. Understand the concept of comparative responsibility. Matty carries a VAST majority of the responsibility. I don't know why I argue anything on this site anymore...