Bad Trader List Update : Paslaugh

Doesn't this open the floodgates to a buncha retroactive additions to the bad trader list? Not gonna name any names but I'm sure Levitation will…

 

I'm warming to this idea, but still not totally in love with it. I think a post on the other trader's profile would be sufficient. I know it's been said countless times before, but checking references is an absolute must!

 

It definitely might but that would be up to the keeper of the scrolls...aka oldp0rt

EDIT: I guess in the end we assume that oldp0rt is doing his due dilligence, which he already detailed that he is, by contacting both parties, giving ample amounts of time for response and to rectify the situation, etc. In the end, its a judgement call on his part.

 

Exactly, I'm wary of the BTL kinda spiraling out of control.

 

Totally agree there. Obviously there is no 100% guarantee that you wont get screwed, thats the risk that is assumed by agreeing to any trade, but you have to do some research to give yourself the best possible chance of not getting beat.[/quote]

 

Correct, and I'm fine with that. I was more pushing back against the seemingly common public view that everyone who has a "bad trader post" made about them should go on the list whether or not they come through on the deal.

 

I guess I just don't believe this is true all of the time. I definitely understand that's it's better (and easier) for everything to be conducted privately at the beginning, but I know I've seen "bad trader posts" where the accused trader eventually came through.

 

The experience someone has in trading with another member is either one of a good experience or one of a bad experience. It is black and white. If someone sucks at trading, i.e. they don't send their end, they delay months at a time, or they communicate terribly, then they are considered a bad trader. You can't send your end of a trade, and then communicate poorly and delay sending your end, and still be considered someone to be traded with. If that's true, show me one person who would trade with someone if their credentials are such.

Either you offer a pleasureable trading experience...or you don't. To say there should be a tab that states, "trade at your own risk," that tab would be redundant - if there is risk, then they're a bad trader. End of story.

 

I have experienced trading as a spectrum - not black and white solely as "good" or "bad". Only a Sith deals in absolutes. These interpretations are also subjective in some sense. It often takes a bit of evidence and time to determine the situation with the other potential "bad" trader. Lots more things are happening in the world to all us that are far more important than beer. Sometimes simply equating no/slow communication and/or no/slow return package to someone being a "bad trader" is imprecise. Determining and agreeing on those thresholds of listing someone on the BTL seems to be a key issue.

 

Fair enough. And I can't dispute the subjective nature of someone's own account of a trading experience. But I do think that we all have expectations going into a trade that line-up somewhat closely to other's that trade. You may allow a little more time in shipping or communication than myself, for example...but I'm certain those expectations are not far off from the others. Close enough to not encompass a spectrum.

I do think that the forums allow the subjective nature of these experiences to be hashed out and exposed to the public. And that is good.

 

You missed what I was getting at...

My point is that once a "potential bad trader" thread goes up about a person, most rational people aren't going to ever trade with them. Even if they come through on that deal, people aren't going to take the risk that they pull the same shenanigans all over again. Thus, the "potential bad trader" thread, is just as damning as being on the Bad Trader List.

 

I understand that, but I think your average trader has more of a stigma with the potential of being on some "shunned BAs" list, rather than just forever etched in the memories of those of us who spend entirely too much time on this site

 

Pretty much all the angles have been covered here, but a list like BTL is always gonna be a list of indictments, not convictions, no matter which criteria you wish to keep concrete.

I don't think seeing it as a leverage tool diminishes the need of all of us to have an easy to access list of indictments, because no matter how it's sliced that is all it is, even for a jerkus maximus like jojo.

Put this asshole on it, and future assholes at oldp0rt's discretion. This is the best we are gonna get for helping ourselves, apparently **waiting to be proven wrong on this last point**.

 

He's trading again under the name Anonymous1, FYI.

 

Yep, BM'd.

 

This is simple, cut out the semantics of what constitutes a "bad trader". Instead of creating tabs, exceptions, etc just rename the list to something trade with caution, TWC. It's all encompassing and we don't have to quibble about whether the person is just a flat out bad trader and someone we wouldn't want to ever trade with or just someone that we should be very cautious trading with. Done.

 

This thread has a lot of people quoting massive text section from other people. Tough read.

 

I'm not even sure if my suggestion was already mentioned, I got a headache from reading most of it. Don't get me wrong, I aporeciate everyones thoughts and efforts (especially oldp0rt) but it seemed there was too much BS on whether someone is a bad trader, so so trader, half ass trader, etc.

Again, whether someone doesn't ship at all, ends up shipping with constant harassment, ships after weeks with no communication, etc I think they should be placed on SOME sort of list that warns other BA's.