Bad Trader (or very very slow): Liverocks

You can edit your Feedback. @Liverocks, what's the deal?

 

He's not accepted the trading rules so I'm not sure he will be able to see he's been tagged here. Man, being jerked around for 3+ months is crazy to me, hopefully he comes through, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

@Liverocks also hasn't logged in since May 30th.

I linked this thread to his profile so if/when he logs in, he won't be able to miss it.

If he chooses not to verify, we'll have to pursue some other options on his account access.

@Todd if he does verify and his trade stats cone back, we may want to consider ways to modify the feedback for this trade.

 

This is a common scenario with this guy. Did an IP trade with him, as did some of my friends, and we all had similar experiences. Changes trades, forgets something, will get you later. When you think that its just you, you maybe make an excuse. After I found out friends had the same issues with him, I will not trade with him. That was not an isolated incident.

 

Did you flame him on feedback??

 

No. Ended up with good beer, but was just annoyed by the changing. Just felt a bit off. Then found out similar stories with 2 different people, so at that point I put it together.

 

Yeah that's why people need to leave proper feedback and not be "bought off" with good extras/subs

 

OP potentially getting screwed out of beer is @Liverocks fault, but if you and your friends left appropriate feedback, you might have saved the OP from getting screwed.

 

There is a marked difference between not feeling this guy was on the up and up and there being a problem. As the OP said, he empathized because he though the guy had bad luck. I also thought at the time that it was just a bit of disorganization on his part. Found out about the trades with my friends 4-5 months after my trade, and the story was similar for all of us, as well as the OP. As soon as I saw this posting, I jumped right in.

 

But that's exactly the point. You don't need to flame the guy on the feedback, but leaving something appropriate will give future traders a heads up to be wary.

So often in these bad trader threads you get people chiming in with "oh yeah the guy was super slow with me and ended up sending me something different than we agreed, but he did send some amazing extras to make up for it so I didn't say anything" And then you read the feedback and it's like "super generous trader - amazing extras". When it should have been "slow to ship and subbed out one of the bottles we agreed, but part-compensated with a great extra"

 

This pretty much sums it up in a nutshell. I wish more people would just be honest with their feedback. I wonder how many people who leave this kind of feedback actually do or would trade again with that trader. I'm willing to bet the percentage is very low or zero at that. It eventually has a domino effect and hurts other traders who would *should* have been warned.

 

Yeah, but there were no extras involved or mentioned for this. I traded for good beer and was happy with the beer that I got. I was the least impacted of all of the scenarios that I heard. I just got a bad vibe. Much later was when the pieces came together. It was also an IP trade, so I guess most people just assumed scenarios here. The format for me warning/advising is this right now.

 

Yeah, while I thought Chris was a decent guy, he is kinda flaky and all the stories you guys talk about are consistent with my experience. A friend of mine did a few IP trades with him and when he slowed down on the trading, he referred him to me. My friend also mentioned the same thing, he would forget some beers or would switch something up. I set up a loose trade with him based around a few bottles so I wasn't super upset when he didn't bring a couple he said he would. He last texted me on May 27th looking to setup something else again but after a few hours, he just stopped texting back.

 

You're not getting the point people are trying to make to you.

If YOUR experience with him was bad,, your feedback should have reflected that. What you learned months down the road from friends who also traded with him has nothing to do with your feedback, YOUR feedback is based on YOUR trade.

And you claim you had a poor experience so your feedback should have reflected that.

 

Wrong, see bold above.

Yeah, @GeorgeCarroll could've left neutral feedback, but he was happy enough. Probably should've noted that bottles were swapped/forgotten last minute with any type of feedback.
But he's not on trial here. He's getting more grief than @Liverocks