Barleywine Appreciation Thread (2023)

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by DIM, Jan 1, 2023.

  1. DIM

    DIM (980) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Welcome to the barleywine appreciation thread for 2023. This is the place to discuss, debate, and generally ruminate about this most delectable of beer styles. The 2022 thread was awesome, looking forward to more of the same.

    What is the state of barleywine in your area, do you have many available? Sadly my cellar is an oasis, thanks to mail order, in a vast barleywine desert.

    Barleywines are getting bigger, sweeter, and are almost universally barrel aged, your thoughts on that? As much as I love 'em barrel aged I'd like to see more unadorned American style barleywines available.

    Mostly, this is a place to drool over pics and descriptions of amazing barleywines. One of the highlights of my beer year 2022 was trading with @Beersnake1 . I thought I'd kick the thread off with a treat from our latest exchange. Thr3e from the Bruery.


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    Oh damn, soooo much marvelously decadent caramel. Caramel for days. I review a lot of barleywines so "caramel" is a descriptor I (over)use a bunch. It's never been more apt, I've never meant it more than I do here. I don't even want to hunt for anything else, I just want to enjoy the hell out of that caramel. After a while I did begin to notice hints of plums and dates, plus brown sugar and hints of charred cacao. The bourbon is strong and primarily tied in with the caramel, not the other elements. As it warms, I also get some Belgian chocolate. A wonderfully, absurdly over the top, extremely potent barleywine in an absurdly oversized 750ml bottle. Love it!

    #BiL
     
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  2. Beersnake1

    Beersnake1 (1,280) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Nice!!!! Thanks for getting this thread going, my friend! And glad you are enjoying that bottle! Cheers to many great barleywines in 2023! #BIL
     
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  3. Pereza987

    Pereza987 (340) Nov 2, 2014 Florida
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    Let’s do this! Excited for another year full of barleywine (and other similar brews). Hoping this doesn’t immediately derail this but this is my current situation. 2021 drinking more dry and caramel forward. 2022 much more sweet and vanilla forward. Cheers all!
     
  4. Beersnake1

    Beersnake1 (1,280) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    I'll go ahead and start with this Munichwine - figured it should go here since it doesn't have its own category yet. 9 Year Munichwine from Cellarmaker in San Francisco. ABV is 13.2%

    Poured at fridge temp. Pours very dark brown with literally no head. The nose is sweet toffee, molasses, brown sugar, bourbon, honey, some vanilla, and some figs.

    The taste is fantastic. It's sweet, but not too sweet. More in line with an American barleywine as it has a citrus peel bitterness combined with huge notes of toffee. Some roasted malts, charred wood, pine, chocolate, and a shark woody bourbon note. Almost a bit too hot on the alcohol side, but it levels off as it warms.

    The mouthfeel is medium bodied and the aftertaste is a boozy mix of toffee and citrus peel. The alcohol is definitely noticeable on this.

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  5. DIM

    DIM (980) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    No worries, this is no derailment, Ryeway is magnificent. Which one are you liking better?

    Last year we had, wheatwine, ryewine, oatwine, speltwine, Munichwine, and lagerwine, among others. Cheers and Happy New Year!
     
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  6. Beersnake1

    Beersnake1 (1,280) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Exactly - this is home to all the -wines!
     
  7. DIM

    DIM (980) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Nice opening! Do you see Munichwine getting its own category? What distinguishes it from a barleywine? Cheers and happy New Year my friend!
     
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  8. Beersnake1

    Beersnake1 (1,280) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Good question. It sounds like a sub-style of barleywine that simply uses Munich malts. However, the flavor characteristics of Munich malts are caramel, honey, and bread. Those all seem like barleywine characteristics to me. Maybe a bit more biscuity than a regular barleywine? I think Private Press was the first to brew one? I'm guessing it will be lumped with barleywines for the foreseeable future. Cheers!
     
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  9. Pereza987

    Pereza987 (340) Nov 2, 2014 Florida
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    I prefer 2021 by a hair because it’s slightly drier. Both excellent.
     
  10. o29

    o29 (450) Sep 29, 2020 Texas
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    I've been saving this one for a special occasion, so tonight seemed like a good opportunity!

    A Deal with the Devil 2022 Double-Oaked

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    It's just as good as I expected -- which it to say, excellent, since I had fairly high expectations. My one concern was it being overly cloying from the extremely high ABV and as some Anchorage stouts can be, but this one is balanced nearly to perfection.

    I can't wait to (eventually) try my TO version.

    Cheers and happy New Years! :beers:
     
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  11. DavetotheB

    DavetotheB (715) Sep 30, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    SN Bigfoot is two different beers fresh vs aged IMO. Love this one fresh, love it aged. Cheers!

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  12. DIM

    DIM (980) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    No matter the question, Bigfoot is the answer.
     
  13. DavetotheB

    DavetotheB (715) Sep 30, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks for this thread. Barleywines are not a style I come across on the shelves often. Bigfoot being the most common, I would guess. What others (straight-up, not barrel aged) are readily available that won't cost me an arm and a leg? I had Nemesis a few years back-really enjoyed it.
     
  14. DIM

    DIM (980) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Sadly I can't think of many options. With Weyerbacher's resurrection, hopefully Blithering Idiot becomes an option. A Polish barleywine, Komes is around at $4-6 per 500ml. A spot near me still has Nemesis around, maybe you can find more of that. Good luck on the hunt.
     
  15. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi (1,775) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Weyerbacher Blithering Idiot here in PA might be the only local one left. Or occasionally DFH Olde School. Gone are the days of Victory Old Horizontal, Troegs Flying Mouflan, Yards Olde Bartholomew, Stoudts Old Abominable.


    Also so many of the previously widely distributed ones have been retired like Brooklyn Monster, Stone Old Guardian, Avery Hog Heaven, Great Divide Old Ruffian, Lagunitas Olde Gnarleywine, Alesmith Old Numbskull, Green Flash Barleywine, etc. It's a bummer.
     
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  16. Beersnake1

    Beersnake1 (1,280) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Agreed. I still have some Old Guardian and Old Ruffian. Just bought an Old Numbskull at the brewery, but there is no date on it so I don’t know if it’s old stock or a fresh brew. Another one that I really miss is Alaskan Barleywine. They all share something in common. Retired and fantastic American barleywine style!
     
  17. Luscious_Malfoy

    Luscious_Malfoy (1,125) Oct 5, 2016 Illinois
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    it’s still 2022 but this is the 2023 thread so let’s get this not right year started off on the not right way. cheers!!
     
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  18. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi (1,775) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I still see some on the shelves. I've got a few vintages in my cellar, I think that is one that greatly benefits from a little mellowing out of the hot booziness it has when fresh.

    I would hope they would continue brewing Blithering Idiot coming out of their (yet another) bankruptcy. In the last few years it was really only that and Tiny that I've regularly seen in my local beer stores. I would have thought Merry Monks was their "flagship" at one time, but that's an even less popular style nowadays.
     
  19. Resistance88

    Resistance88 (600) Apr 9, 2015 California
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    2012 JW Lees aged in Port Casks
    Much better than the can i tried .
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  20. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi (1,775) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I drank my last bottle of Old Russian in the last couple of years. I still have one bottle of Old Guardian, I think a 2011 bottle.

    Interesting about Old Numbskull. It's not listed on their website, and I haven't seen it for years.
     
  21. Beersnake1

    Beersnake1 (1,280) Aug 17, 2013 California
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  22. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi (1,775) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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  23. SLeffler27

    SLeffler27 (955) Feb 24, 2008 New York
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    Definitely agree. One of my favorite beer experiences is comparing the base and the barrel versions.

    Was curious about “Munchiwine” too. Then realized the significance of the “i” location when reading the following… :smiley:

    BTW, Swiftwater makes Muncheez Truck, but it belongs in a different tread.
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/38475/389754/

    And a barrel aged version too.
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/38475/463804/

    Happy New Year everyone!
     
  24. zid

    zid (660) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    This is proof that it’s the 2023 thread.
     
  25. tobelerone

    tobelerone (1,080) Dec 1, 2010 New Jersey
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    First barleywine of the year is from Paradox brewery, it’s the “ay yup duck” rum barrel aged English barleywine at 11% abv and sold at the brewery only, inexplicably, in a 19.2oz can. So of course I’m solo doming this and feeling it.



    I had a can of this in august on a stifling sweaty
    Humid night. Tonight it’s a lot more seasonable with some football and some outstanding cheese selections and I’m in a lovely hotel lakeside in Lake Placid in the Adirondacks. This is solid enough and a real value purchase at 8 bucks (!) for a massive serving of barrel aged BW. It’s a little thin and fizzy but appealing especially if you’re a rum drinker.
     
  26. Davl22

    Davl22 (380) Sep 27, 2011 New Hampshire
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    Bissell Betwixt & Between BA Barleywine w/ Coffee. Really damn good. Tastes like caramel and cold brew. Balanced and smooth.
     
  27. Nugganooch

    Nugganooch (975) Jan 13, 2011 California
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    Is this for real??? :flushed:
     
  28. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 (1,490) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    The English Barleywine is actually not one of my favorite styles to be honest. However, I enjoyed this one well enough, despite being a bit too sweet for my personal taste, as is usually the case with the style.

    Jackie O's Brewpub - Rye Barrel Brick Kiln

    English Barleywine aged in Rye Bourbon barrels, from America (12.7%).

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    Pours a deep, dark brown coloration with a small, fluffy head. Smells of rich caramel malt, toffee and rye bourbon, with notes of vanilla, oak and peppery spice, as well as hints of dark fruits and red berries, with notes of fig and raisin and redcurrant.

    Taste is an excellent balance of very slightly roasted, rich caramel malt, toffee, butterscotch, chocolate, dark fruits/red berries, with notes of raisin, date, fig, redcurrant and cranberry, as well as a distinct rye bourbon presence, with notes of vanilla, oak and peppery spice. Finishes with a medium sweetness and some toffee, butterscotch, dark fruit and vanilla lingering in the aftertaste. Full mouthfeel with a rich body and low/medium carbonation.

    While this is once again just a tad too sweet for my personal taste, I can hardly fault an English Barleywine for that, while the sweetness is quite mellow and not too cloying here, with more of a toffee, butterscotch than brown sugar character. The rye bourbon barrels also come through wonderfully, again being quite mellow without feeling to boozy at all, yet imparting rich notes of vanilla, oak and peppery spice.

    It's that musty, earthy oak, peppery spice and hints of roasted malt and bitter chocolate which balance out the sweetness nicely here, while rich notes of dark fruit and red berries round this out very nicely. While I'm actually not a huge fan of the style, this is definitely one of the best examples of it that I've had. due to it's rich complexity and mellow balance, with a great body and mouthfeel as well.
     
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  29. DIM

    DIM (980) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Jackie O's does run sweet, but I love them! I don't think I've had one that I would call cloyingly sweet so far. Plenty of layers and nuances to keep interesting.
     
  30. SABERG

    SABERG (1,130) Sep 16, 2007 Massachusetts
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    This years model is quite something
    So glad Honest Weight brewed this again
    Cheers
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  31. Spade

    Spade (465) Mar 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Bigfoot 2023

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    Packaged on 11/22. Hops for days.
     
  32. zid

    zid (660) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Yes, it is now 2023. Hard to believe. :wink:
     
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  33. augustgarage

    augustgarage (645) May 20, 2007 California
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    I loved the Calvados barrel version...
     
  34. Dimidiata

    Dimidiata (305) Jul 14, 2017 California
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    The first munichwine was from Private Press called A Silent Pursuit, released at the end of 2021. The description:
    "Munichwine is a new sub-style of barleywine that I quietly created at Private Press throughout the pandemic. The genesis of this new beer style is rooted in my admiration for both barleywine and Munich malt. A Silent Pursuit aged in both bourbon and California grape brandy barrels, and reminds me of spirit-soaked bread pudding, topped with toasted almonds, and covered in a dark sweet cherry caramel sauce. I am excited to see how this new style develops both at Private Press and beyond."

    I was lucky enough to a get a preview tasting of b2 of A Silent Pursuit last week, and the style is really evolving into something delicious. I had the Cellarmaker 9 Year Munichwine that @Beersnake1 tried, and enjoyed it, but it leaned sweeter than Private Press's version. I also had the Cellarmaker munichwine on cask with some bourbon soaked oak chips and it was definitely too sweet for my preferences. I think any brewery having a go at making a munichwine will have to contend with finding a way to balance that sweetness, and Private Press does it well via careful blending and amazing barrel character.
     
  35. jkblr

    jkblr (1,080) Nov 22, 2014 Indiana
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    Well, I'm 11.5 months earlier to this thread in 2023 than in 2022...

    Could not pass on this yesterday.
    Hi-Wire Rye Barrel-Aged Manhattan Ale
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    16oz can stamped Batch 2347 10/04/22 poured into a teku glass at just above fridge temp 9.5% ABV per can. The beer pours opaque medium brown with mahogany highlights and meager light brown head. The head recedes to a pencil thin ring and tiny island of tiny bubbles. The aroma is moderate in strength featuring herbal notes, then cherry, sweet malt, and rye barrel. The taste is bittersweet malt with more herbal liqueur notes followed by cherry, orange peel and rye whiskey. Mild bitterness. The mouthfeel is medium bodied with average carbonation and a mostly dry finish. ABV is well hidden in the aroma and flavor with just a touch of heat on the finish. Overall, very good. The herbs and fruits really lead the way here with the malt and barrel being much less emphasized.

    This is good, but not up to Bell's or Founder's Old Fashioned or Manhattan based BBA ales. Kind of disappointed because Hi-Wire does most styles great. Needs less herbal root influence and more rye whiskey / barrel, malt and fullness to be a contender...

    Cheers all!
     
  36. DIM

    DIM (980) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Cocktail inspired beers can be hit or miss, but I found that I like Manhattans more often than not.
    Nice glass, I'll be coming in with one of those tonight as well!
     
  37. DIM

    DIM (980) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Updates on the upcoming EBF box has me reminiscing about the last one. This is an absolute all-timer for me, it checks all the boxes. Double barreled, extended barreling, mixed barrels, blended barleywine.

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    Just going to list some descriptors in no particular order. Raisins, booze, leather, toffee, different booze, chocolate, yet another different booze, and on and on and on...love this so much.

    Not the right thread for it, but I'm so stoked for the Stout box. Gonna be epic!
     
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  38. Beersnake1

    Beersnake1 (1,280) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Oh man, what a beer! I have a couple of cans left (after grabbing extras!). Need to open one soon!
     
  39. Beersnake1

    Beersnake1 (1,280) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Fantastic review! I agree, a wonderful barleywine!
     
  40. Beersnake1

    Beersnake1 (1,280) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    How is it? I look forward to grabbing a 6-pack soon!