Barleywine: lager vs ale yeast

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  1. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions for making a barleywine with lager vs ale yeast.
    Trying to figure out if there is any benefit to the end product if fermented with lager yeast.

    anyone try it and/or have tips?
     
    #1 atomeyes, Oct 2, 2017
  2. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Traditionally they are made with an ale temperature yeast.
     
    #2 Prep8611, Oct 2, 2017
  3. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    If you can make a Baltic Porter with lager yeast...why not a Barleywine? Sounds like a great experiment. My next Barleywine will probably be with a estery, heavy-duty ale yeast though.
     
    #3 GreenKrusty101, Oct 2, 2017
  4. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Baltic porter is lagered as part of the style. It's an entirely different style than a regular porter. So I'm not sure what you would call a barleywine fermented at lager temps.
     
    #4 Prep8611, Oct 3, 2017
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  5. csurowiec

    csurowiec Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2010 Maryland

    Yes you can make a beer the strength of a barleywine with a lager yeast, W34/70 will do it just fine. It won't be a barleywine to me though. In my opinion a barleywine needs an English yeast with some character.
     
    #5 csurowiec, Oct 3, 2017
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  6. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I think I'd call it a dopplebock.
     
    #6 PapaGoose03, Oct 3, 2017
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  7. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Thomas Hardy’s ale was said to use a lager strain when brewed by Eldrige Pope back in the day. No idea on fermentation temperature or other process.
     
    #7 hopfenunmaltz, Oct 3, 2017
  8. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Or a doppelsticke.
     
    #8 EvenMoreJesus, Oct 3, 2017
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  9. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    Blend W34/70 - Nottingham , ferment at 58 F
     
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  10. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    If the OP is looking to make an English Barleywine, sure. If he's looking to make an American Barleywine, a neutral yeast character might actually be something he's looking for.
     
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  11. Seacoastbrewer

    Seacoastbrewer Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2012 New Hampshire

    I don't believe Jack's Abby distros up in CA but they make several "Lager Wines". As far as I know all of their beers are fermented with lager/bottom fermenting strains. Still fabulous beers and worth seeking out. To your question I'm sure lager yeast would ferment normal wort.

    https://jacksabby.com/beers/baby-maker-lager-wine/
     
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  12. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    their barleywine's my inspiration. really damn tasty.
     
    #12 atomeyes, Oct 3, 2017
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  13. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Please try it out and report back.
     
    #13 Prep8611, Oct 3, 2017
  14. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    I made a dry Irish stout with a lager yeast and the bottling sample tasted awesome.

    If you're seeking a clean tasting yeast profile, I'd say go for it.
     
    #14 Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse, Oct 3, 2017
  15. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    so there's the question...and it's always my lager question.
    if i want clean, why wouldn't i just use US05 instead of the headaches associated with lagers?
     
    #15 atomeyes, Oct 4, 2017
  16. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    It's rumored that their house yeast was/is 34/70.
     
    #16 Jesse14, Oct 4, 2017
  17. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Because they (US-05 and lager yeasts) are different...as clean as Chico is...it's got way more fruity esters than almost any lager yeast. As for lager headaches, use double or triple amounts of lager yeasts and the headaches go away (expensive or time consuming)...but they do go away :slight_smile:
     
    #17 GreenKrusty101, Oct 4, 2017
  18. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    You're also going to need a shit ton of yeast if fermented at lager temps.

    Wouldn't this be malt liquor?
     
    #18 Supergenious, Oct 4, 2017
  19. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    actually, yeah, didn't even think of the yeast pitch. if you just finished brewing a beer, then i can sort of see it making sense.
     
    #19 atomeyes, Oct 4, 2017
  20. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Due to a yeast starter mishap I once brewed a medium gravity stout lager. It turned out very well.

    I would only try to do this with a barleywine, however, if I was pitching directly onto a lager yeast cake.
     
    #20 scottakelly, Oct 4, 2017
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