Barrel age without Kentucky

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  1. Smakawhat

    Smakawhat Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,191) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
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    10+ years of Goose Island Bourbon County Brand Stout is one heck of a long fad I must say :wink:
     
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  2. Beer_Loving_Brandon

    Beer_Loving_Brandon Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Mississippi

    It will always be around for sure. Just not as much. A few years ago no one thought twice about it. These days though barrel-aged/whiskey fusion is the nectar of the gods.
     
  3. bobhits

    bobhits Maven (1,498) Oct 31, 2006 Ohio

    First time having bourbon county stout and I was SOLD! Others just hadn't tried it yet :slight_smile:
     
  4. VncentLIFE

    VncentLIFE Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2011 North Carolina

    But Scotch makers can buy up used Bourbon barrels
     
  5. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    But why would they?
     
  6. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2010 California

    To age their Scotch in.
     
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  7. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Do they do this? Can't imagine putting a highland Scotch into a Wild Turkey barrel.
     
  8. beerme411

    beerme411 Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2010 California

    From The Macallan website:
    "The Macallan’s oak casks are the single greatest contributor to the outstanding quality, natural colours and distinctive aromas and flavours of The Macallan. In fact 60% of the flavour of a whisky is derived from the cask it is matured in. Because of this, The Macallan spends more per cask than any other distillery in sourcing, crafting, seasoning and caring for its casks. Spanish sherry seasoned oak casks deliver flavours and aromas of chocolate orange, dried fruits and spices; American sherry seasoned oak casks primarily provide sweet citrus, light spice, vanilla and light oak flavours and aromas; American bourbon seasoned oak barrels give flavours and aromas of sweet citrus, coconut and oak."

    Edit from Highland Park:
    "The majority of the Scotch whisky industry uses ex-bourbon barrels for maturation. At Highland Park, bourbon barrels are not routinely filled. Traditional oak casks are used; butts, puncheons or hogsheads – no barrels – all seasoned with dry Oloroso sherry, which contribute to the distinctive richness in the resulting whisky. Spanish oak casks seasoned with sherry give colour, spice and dried fruit character, whereas American oak sherry seasoned casks give lighter, sweeter vanilla and butterscotch flavours. Sherry oak casks are far more expensive but the view at Highland Park is that they are worth it for the rich character and natural colour they provide to the maturing spirit."

    Edit TLDR: Most Scotch is aged in ex bourbon barrels with spanish and american ex sherry barrels rounding out most of the rest.
     
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  9. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Huh, nice to know, would never have guessed that. I was thinking there's would be no way a Bourbon barrel works with a delicate Highland.
     
  10. Imperial207

    Imperial207 Initiate (0) Aug 9, 2014 Maine

    I think many will, but the best will stay.


    And as a whiskey drinker, bourbon flavor is much bolder than most scotch and Irish whickey's. Though different profiles, bourbon is much fuller body.
     
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  11. Zimbo

    Zimbo Pooh-Bah (2,305) Aug 7, 2010 Scotland
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    American Bourbon and whiskey is really on the rise and its easy to understand why. Scottish distillers are looking for a way to return to their status as the ultimate uncontested by a country mile greatest top dog whisky makers but I don't think that will ever happen again. Not that Scotland isn't possibly the best whisky nation in the world, its just that the US and Japan are doing things they never dreamed of and are closing the gap and rightfully being rewarded for it with rave reviews and bulging sales.
    Thankfully, the trend for using old whisky barrels in Scottish (and English) beer is building here too. And that's a good bottom line.
     
  12. tripsforjoe

    tripsforjoe Devotee (350) Sep 27, 2013 Kentucky
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    That's why the best scotches in the world are the ones that taste the closest to bourbon!
     
  13. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I usually go for Islay Whiskey, Highland Scotches are a bit too tame for me. I prefer Knob Creen Small barrel small batch, at 120 proof it's a big bourbon, very well done too.
     
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  14. alucard6679

    alucard6679 Savant (1,009) Jul 29, 2012 Arizona

    So does High West but the way I look at it its what they do with the whiskey that counts and both producers are excellent IMO so, I'm comfortable saying " their" :wink:
     
  15. papat444

    papat444 Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,961) Dec 28, 2006 Canada (QC)
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    Had one or two gin barrel aged offerings and found them to be quite good. An interesting take on barrel aging.
     
  16. halo3one

    halo3one Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2014 Georgia

    It just wouldn't be the same.
     
  17. punksinkhakis

    punksinkhakis Initiate (0) Jan 24, 2015 Colorado

    I got a few words for you: Malort County Barrel Stout.
     
  18. drmeto

    drmeto Pooh-Bah (2,402) Jan 29, 2015 Germany
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    youd be surprised how many scotch whiskys have seen the inside of a jim beam barrel.
    the quality of the bourbon that was in it matters less than the sweetness it gives off
     
  19. aaronhardesty

    aaronhardesty Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 Kentucky

    I like Scotch (although I prefer bourbon) but, at least in the US, it's ridiculously expensive. I can buy better bourbon at a cheaper price.
     
  20. Zimbo

    Zimbo Pooh-Bah (2,305) Aug 7, 2010 Scotland
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    Sounds similar to here. But the market for Bourbon and American whiskey is growing especially among younger drinkers. Unfortunately most sales are from the lower end of the market (Jack, Jim Beam, the watered down BuffaloTrace)but I have easy access to better stuff which is pretty common now. In most cases its competitively priced compared to 'Scotch' prices.
     
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