Barrel aging... bung or airlock?

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by yinzer, Oct 21, 2012.

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  1. yinzer

    yinzer Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2006 Pennsylvania

    Once the beer is mature, say three months old - any need for the airlock? Why not a solid bung?
     
  2. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    I've always just left the airlock, however, I don't see a reason to keep using an airlock once the beer is completely fermented out. They do it in the wine world of homebrewing.

    On side note, do you mean barrel aging as in it's actually going in barrel or do you simply mean bulk aging in a carboy?
     
  3. yinzer

    yinzer Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2006 Pennsylvania

    That's what I'm thinking. And since this application gets set aside for months it's easy to forget about it and let the air-lock dry out.
     
  4. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    I wonder if it's a good idea to purge the barrel/carboy/etc with Co2 before you transfer to it as well?
     
  5. yinzer

    yinzer Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2006 Pennsylvania

    I always do.
     
  6. pmgerholdt

    pmgerholdt Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2010 New York

    Recommend airlock over solid bung based on our explosive experience. 60 gallon barrel. Think about it - all those gallons, each giving up a little CO2 ... and a little more. It's can add up to a lot of CO2, and be caused by very slow fermentaion or temperature change. Even beer that seems completely fermented out may not be completely inert based on months in a permeable environment.

    Airlock = safe. Solid bung = sorry.
     
  7. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    I'm still skeptical, but I suppose it's better to be safe than sorry. Pmgerholdt, do you mind sharing a little more about your experience? Recipes, gravities, barrel, etc. Just curious.

    Wine makers also use "breathable" bungs. Though if you have to buy something new, just to do it and an airlock works just as well, might as well go with what you have.
     
  8. MMAJYK

    MMAJYK Initiate (0) Jun 26, 2007 Georgia

    Airlock for sure. I learned the hard way.
     
  9. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Temperature change would be the one I'd point a finger at. If the electricity goes out I'd rather suck some vodka into the beer than make a mess.
     
  10. yinzer

    yinzer Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2006 Pennsylvania

    I'm just using starsan water. Is vodka better?

    But why does anything liquid get sucked it? A proper filler airlock won't suck liquid in.
     
  11. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Vodka isn't better per se, it just gives it an extra little kick.

    Maybe someone can chime in on the thrermodynamics of why but I know that if you cold crash beer you should replace the airlock with aluminum foil. If you don't the beer will suck in the fluid. I learned this the hard way by sucking in a growler of starsan. :slight_smile:
     
  12. yinzer

    yinzer Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2006 Pennsylvania

    These when filled correctly won't suck liquid in. But as I think about it starsan foams, so a lot of foam will negate the design. So vodka might be better.

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    Unless you cold crash anything other than a sealed container like a corny, you'll get air in.
     
  13. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I totally disagree with you on the double bubble air lock. It didn't matter if I pulled the whole lid off, or if I just pulled the airlock out before trying to take the lid off, pushing down on the top of a pale ale lid always sucks some liquid back into the beer for me. Hopefully results are better for a carboy. I haven't tried it. I switched over to a blowoff tube a long time ago and WILL NOT look back.
     
  14. yinzer

    yinzer Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2006 Pennsylvania

    How much did you fill it? If you fill it just past the bottom of the bell there isn't enough liquid to fill the underneath. As the liquid lifts to the underneath of the bell the bottom empties and it starts to suck air.

    Do you mean when you push on the lid and release liquid gets sucked? I guess a sudden large negative pressure could do it. I'm talking about a slow change in temp of the beer.
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I once had suck back with this type of airlock, properly filled. It was during cold crashing. Now I only cold crash in kegs.
     
  16. Back-Doubt

    Back-Doubt Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2015 California

    i never understand the advice to put vodka in an air lock. Vodka evaporates.
     
  17. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Depends what you are fermenting/conditioning. Brett, et al can have it's own time horizon...properly maintained air locks are a little insurance...ya never know...especially if you keep adding sugar in various forms over time like I do.
     
  18. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Old threads are fun to read. Thanks for the bump.
     
  19. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Likewise, I'm sure : )
     
  20. GUNSLINGER

    GUNSLINGER Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2013 Colorado

    I use bung for spirits and air locks for beer. I've used bungs for beers and not had issues.
     
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