Bars selling beers not distribute to the state

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by nanobrew, Feb 29, 2012.

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Feelings on selling non-distributed beer at a bar

  1. Totally against it, contact the brewery

    23.9%
  2. Wouldn't buy, but not bothered by it

    7.6%
  3. Sounds cool, maybe buy a bottle

    23.9%
  4. Hell Yeah! Great way to try beer without the hassle of trading

    44.6%
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  1. nanobrew

    nanobrew Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2008 California

    I was out last night at a restaurant/bar, and when I looked through their bottle list I noticed a lot of beers that are not distributed to CA (such as Founder, New Holland, Bells, Left Hand). I was wondering how common is this, and if it is even legal? When I use to live in MI I knew of restaurant owners that would fly to Europe a few times a year and bring back a bunch of wine to sell, but as we all know not all the rules are the same for wine and beer.

    The second part of this that got me thinking was, a lot of the beers were IPAs. Because these beers are less known, more expensive, and already put through extra shipping I would be worried about their freshness. Even if I was craving a New Holland Mad Hatter, i do not know if I could trust its freshness. Do they keep very low inventory to make sure nothing is out dated? Would you guys trust buying a "grey" market IPA.

    p.s. They also had a bottle of 120min IPA for $50, is this the going restaurant rate? And Squall IPA for $40
     
  2. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
    Mod Team BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I heard of a place in NJ where the bar owner went to another state to pick up beer from the brewery and bring it back to serve in the bar... Seems fine to me, and the prices were reasonable (the beer was from a neighboring state that didn't distribute). Not a practice that is done all the time but every once in a while seems OK to me.

    In this case they were featuring a lot of beers in the same style and this is a good representative.
     
  3. WankelEngine

    WankelEngine Initiate (0) Mar 28, 2011 Illinois

    I believe it is illegal to bars and stores to purchase beer for resale from anything other than official distributors, though I am not an expert on this law. Would I try a bottle? Probably. Is it good thing to do all the time? Probably not. Also, 50 dollars for 120min is way overpriced, even for a bar. It's 23 dollars at the bar down the street from me. I would expect a $9 beer to be marked up to $30 max.
     
  4. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2010 California

    This also applies to stores. I have been to a few recently that had non-distributed offerings.
     
  5. cbutova

    cbutova Grand Pooh-Bah (3,059) Oct 10, 2008 Massachusetts
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I would buy it as long as it's not marked up 500% and 6 months out of freshness. Legality might depend on the individual state but I remember when a bunch of Philly bars got raided for having brews that were not technically registered for sale in the state (or something like that). Hence Russian River Registration Ale.

    http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/news&id=86796597
     
  6. LSUPT

    LSUPT Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2011 California

    Bootlegging, not legal, but in Louisiana I'd be for it. Sometimes bars do it here, but it's Fat Tire or some crap that's not worth the trouble or risk, i.e. potentially losing their liquor license.
     
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  7. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

    Interesting read. You'd think the Philly PD would have bigger fish to fry.
     
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  8. donunrue

    donunrue Crusader (439) Feb 4, 2011 Kentucky

    hmmm, a fish fry you say? I'm in!

    I see this thread going away anywho so .....
     
  9. ToasterChef

    ToasterChef Initiate (0) Mar 26, 2008 Maine

    I've certainly ordered a pint when a bar I like brings in a secret keg of beer that isn't distributed in our state, but the offerings have always been not listed on the menu and only certain customers (i.e. regulars) were told about the offering. Is that a little exclusive? Yes, but it certainly cuts down on the likelihood that a bar will get shut down or fined for illegal offerings. Therefore, I don't think I'd order a non-distributed bottle off of a menu, if only to encourage the bar to not risk something bad happening.
     
  10. tsauce2

    tsauce2 Savant (1,138) Oct 12, 2011 Indiana
    Trader

    I have seen this before. Some places do it right and only add $5 or so on to the retail price. When people start tacking on 100-200% mark ups is when it gets a little egregious. Unfortunately, sometimes it's the only way to get a beer like that.
     
  11. stevefinny

    stevefinny Pundit (785) Aug 28, 2009 New Jersey

    I don't care what bars do, as long as they aren't ripping people off.
     
  12. socon67

    socon67 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,895) Jun 18, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah

    I find it kinda cool to get something I cannot normally get. But in all cases it was offered to their best custoemrs and not made common knowledge because of the obvious trouble with such a practice.
     
  13. nanobrew

    nanobrew Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2008 California

    I do have to admit I was excited to see Founder FBS listed in bottle (I think for around $8) and I probably would have gotten one except for the fact that I have a couple in my fridge. I do not have an issue with it in general, but my main concern was with the number of IPAs they have listed. At what point am I ordering a beer with questionable freshness but knowing it is a "privilege" to have been offered, verse being screwed on an old IPA.
     
  14. LostTraveler

    LostTraveler Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2011 Maine

    whatever, the 3 tier system is messed up anyways.
     
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  15. Steimie

    Steimie Maven (1,428) Jan 7, 2012 Michigan

    Maybe so. However, bypassing it is still illegal.
     
  16. lakestclairgoose

    lakestclairgoose Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2008 Michigan

    they don't sell the beer, they sell the bottle as a collectors item, the contents are "not meant for consumption"....
     
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  17. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    This is not something that should really be taken lightly. A bar gets caught doing this there will be heavy fines and a possible loss of licenses. Let's hope it is not one of your favorite spots or else to may need to have a back up lined up just in case. The benefit is just not worth the risk.

    Besides, if you cannot stay competitive by pulling in bottles and kegs of what is available and have to resort to illegal tactics to gain a competitive advantage I am not sure I would be interested in that bar anyways.
     
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  18. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
    STAFF Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah

    Exactly. And the outcome of this poll is already disappointing. Just goes to show how many don't understand or care; even worse.

    Be a BeerAdvocate. Don't contribute to illegal activities that could possibly harm brewers and places.
     
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  19. phisigben

    phisigben Zealot (722) Jan 8, 2009 Kentucky
    Trader

    I can see how selling an illegal beer could harm a bar, but how can it harm a brewer?
     
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  20. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    I've definitely seen it around here. Sometimes it is tough to tell what got a "special license" though and what is just being tossed on tap because they have it.
     
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