Batch sparge question regarding water adjustments

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  1. hyndmanevan

    hyndmanevan Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2007 Indiana

    I adjust my sparge water. Due to my tun size, and preference, I do two sparges. What is the best method for making my adjustments?

    a) add all salts and LA to tun after run off, sparge twice
    b) add all salts and LA to total volume of sparge water, sparge twice
    c) add 1/2 to tun, sparge twice
    d) add 1/2 to 1/2 sparge water volume, sparge twice
    e) I should acutally be doubling due to halving
    f) probably doesn't matter

    Thanks
     
  2. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    I'm not fully understanding, but I add salts into my HLT which holds my sparge water...so I think answer b
     
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  3. hyndmanevan

    hyndmanevan Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2007 Indiana


    That's what I do now. I didn't know if by not using the full amount of sparge in one batch I was under-adjusting. If you followed my line of thinking though, it would be a real mess for people that fly sparge. I'm guessing b too.
     
  4. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    My take on this (not having the benefit of the water book, which I'm told ships soon) is that your adjustments to the mash are primarily about optimizing pH and enzymatic conversion. Adjustments to the sparge water are about preventing pH from rising to extract tannins. Your exposure to this is greatest if you fly sparge, because you are continuously diluting the hydrogen ion activity in the mash tun. Towards the end of a fly sparge, the water running through the lauter tun may be only marginally influenced by the mash chemistry. Batch sparging reduces this effect substantially because the dilution is not continuous. If you have high pH water to begin with, acidfying the sparge water (e.g., with lacto) could become more important in a double batch sparge scenario. This may be even more of a concern when mashing paler malts exclusively, I think. So you really shouldn't need to adjust your sparge water if batch sparging unless these two things apply, and your adjustments really only need to be pH.

    The other reasons to make water chem adjustments are yeast health and sensory perceptions (chloride/sulfate ratio, for example). Any adjustments made for these purposes could be done in the boil, perhaps even in the fermenter. You may find it convenient to just make these adjustments to the sparge water, and as long as they don't raise the pH, that should be fine (adding carbonates and bicarbonates to the sparge is not a good idea).

    These ideas are my gut instincts. They reflect the way I brew, which hasn't led me astray. Despite a real-life career requiring extensive chemistry background, I have not rigorously and meticulously pursued the chemistry of the hobby. I'm open to corrections and alternate advise.
     
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  5. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

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  6. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I will begin by stating that I do not mash my dark and crystal grains, just my base malts (including Munich, Aromatics, etc), and add the steepable character malts/grains to the mash after conversion before vorlauf. I add chloride and sulfate to the mash for flavor mostly, and not for pH (my water is perfect for paler beers). I don't adjust my sparge water since I batch sparge and pH is not an issue here like it is with fly (see pweis909 above). I am going to start adding LA more for getting the pH down in the kettle. My standard process is to add my flavor salts to the kettle before I even start running off so that it gets mixed in.
     
  7. hyndmanevan

    hyndmanevan Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2007 Indiana

    I had my tap water tested and it's pretty low in all areas that brewing is concerned, so I'm not trying to duplicate a regions water, just bring it up to the preffered ranges. I use Brun Water, and I don't know if the suggested amounts of Gypsum, CaCl, and lactic acid for sparging are to keep the pH (water is 8.4) down, or if the minerals are for sensory perception and the acid is for pH. If I moved the sparge minerals to the boil, would I need more acid? Should I continue to add the all the acid to all the sparge water and do two sparges?
     
  8. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    The flavor additions should be mostly for flavor not pH. The LA is for pH in the sparge, but if you are batch sparging you shouldn't need to to worry about pH unless you are sparging to get enough beer for a 4+ hour boil.
     
  9. hyndmanevan

    hyndmanevan Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2007 Indiana

    Ha, okay thanks.
     
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