Bavarian Hefe strain…getting technical

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  1. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    Alright science geeks in the crowd…I just read through an article that quotes the ID of 'true hefe strains' as Torulaspora delbrueckii. It took me aback for a moment. While I've heard rumors that it could, in some capacity, be involved in the Weihenstephan strain and other 'clove & banana' hefe strains…but not that it is indeed 'the strain'.
    A quick googlin didn't help me…but this was a good article on the topic:
    https://eurekabrewing.wordpress.com/2014/02/10/hello-my-name-is-torulaspora-delbrueckii/

    Anybody with some input here?
     
  2. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    interesting article, no idea about the science or your question though :slight_smile:
     
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  3. Snubnoze

    Snubnoze Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2015 California

    White Labs Yeast Vault has this strain available as stand alone, and also in the New Nordic Ale Blend. It produces Isoamyl Acitate aka Banana ester. Currently brewing a Hefe with Spelt instead of Wheat and fermenting with the New Nordic Ale Blend.
     
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  4. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    I have a 3 week old straight 40/60 Pils and wheat base that used 611 and a touch of Hallertau blanc to bitter to 20ibus. I get hardly any banana or clove. Started at 64F then ramped up to 78F, but maybe too late in fermentation cycle. What I do get is flavors I've never had in such high concentrations. It's like you made a hefe, extracted the banana and clove and quadrupled everything else. It taste great just foreign, like nondescript almost peachy/funky/earthy. It's not funky per se, but it's the best description I can give you. I'm bringing it to the brew club meeting Thursday and we will see what the BJCP guys have to say.
     
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    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    I picked up WLP611 and saw that Torulaspora d. was part of it and read that same article. I did not get banana and clove but I may have pitched too much and/or temp was off for the parameters that produce banana and clove.
     
  6. Snubnoze

    Snubnoze Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2015 California

    Thanks for the feedback. I made a starter, so I may be pitching at too high of a rate. I'll pitch right now while it's at 74 and see how that works out. Pulled a gallon of wort and pitched the Lochristi Brett Blend from TYB 100%. I wonder what Brett would do with the esters produced by 611? If I'm not digging it on its own I may put into secondary with this Brett.
     
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