Bayernbiere Bought and Drunk

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  1. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany
    In Memoriam

    "Marke Weltenburger" is easy to get, real Weltenburger is actually really hard to get but I'm honestly not sure how much difference there is between the two. I should make a back to back tasting of those 2...
     
  2. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    I've been out of action and haven't been able to write up some of the beers I've been meaning to. I've been drinking them but haven't been able to write them up. So here's our latest contestant: Streck's Brauhaus Ostheimer Dunkel. Bought it through Biershop Bayern.
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    Color is dark amber, almost fully brown with hints of red under bright vanilla-colored head. Aroma is pretty typical German: roasted malts, Münchner malts, but additionally is a wonderful sweetness with light chocolate/licorice mix.

    The flavor is slightly bitter, noble hops like Tettnanger, Hersbrücke or Spalte with a sour tang. In the back there's lots of roasted malt flavor, tasting very much like the aroma. It's more like a Pils with lots of roasted malts. It's a nice beer, malty sweet and some bitterness together, as if a Pils and Märzen were blended together.
     
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  3. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Okay -- a little clarification here please; roasted malt in the same character as Köstritzer (or Guinness, for that matter)? Or more toasted (as in toasted bread) malt as you'll taste in an Optimator or Celebrator?

    I ask because I know that some Dunkels will be more roasted in character than others, so I'm just wondering where this one falls.
     
  4. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    Good question. It's NOT a black malt flavor, which gives Dunkels and Stouts their color, but a toasty, sweet flavor from roasted malt (Röstmalz)...it's commonly used in Bocks. What I found most interesting was that the aroma was practically only this sweet roasted malt but flavor was bitterer, with some sour, strangely…with a sweet roasted flavor. Also interesting, neither this beer nor the brewery are listed in BA.
     
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  5. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    With that bitterness, I have to wonder if they aren't using some black malt -- it's what gives stout and Schwarzbier that sort of coffee-character.

    I found that curious too, you ought to add it.
     
  6. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    I agree with you. I feel they added some black malt with lots of Roasted Malt and a good amount of Sauermalz (Acid Malt), which might explain the sourness, but actually simply lowers the pH. It's a highly complex beer, which is what I was trying to get at, unlike most Dunkles, which are simply a darkened Pils.


    No time and too lazy, maybe someone else will volunteer?
     
  7. Bierman9

    Bierman9 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,313) Dec 20, 2001 New Hampshire
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    Sure, why not.... It's in the queue.... Wish I was still a Beerfly guide...

    Prosit!
     
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  8. Bierman9

    Bierman9 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,313) Dec 20, 2001 New Hampshire
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    Here ya go.... http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/30945
     
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  9. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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  10. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I think the only trouble with adding the beers is that you're expected to give a mini-review. I may have missed a way around that when I did this one.
     
  11. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    Breitenlesau from Krug Bräu

    [I've had this beer before, but only at this one particular Italian restaurant in Sachsenhausen, Frankfurt: La Traviata. The pasta is hand made fresh daily, and the pizza's are baked in wood-burning ovens. And, for as long as I've been in FfM, since 2008, they serve this beer on tap. I eat here only about twice a year, but not because I don't like the beer/food; rather, I rarely have time to eat anything at a sit-down place. I usually grab a Döner or a pizza at a couple of stand-up places to save time between my lessons, if I have any.]

    I've never seen this beer anywhere else, so I thought I'd review it, though I've heard they have it on tap at Fichte Kränzi in Sachsenhausen, a Apfelweinlokal (or Äppelwoi - Äpfelwein - Äppelwein - Appelwein - Eppelwei) or Applewine restaurant, but I didn't see it when I was there because I go there only for the Apfelwein. Their website lists all the pubs/restaurants where it can be found in Germany.

    Krug Bräu seems to be from a Kaff in a tiny town between Bamberg and Bayreuth: Waischenfeld, Ortsteil (village) Breitlesau in Franken. The Brewery-Inn also doubles as a dance hall that focuses on live rock bands.

    Their website calls it a Dunkeles Lagerbier. 5% ABV, "a special lager beer, brewed with a particular/special mashing technique and different special malts. The recipe for success: the beer is brewed to a taste that not too sweet nor too bitter and tastes great to all guests from the North Sea to the south."
    So, here's what my beer looked like:
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    Color: dark amber, orange tints, signs of Melanoiden or Münchner malt.
    Aroma: malty, sweet, typical German malty aroma for a Fränkisches beer.
    Taste: malty sweet, slightly sour on the front of the tongue; bitter on the sides, slightly sweet - a definable Münchner malt addition, maybe some black malt, but overall, a huge typical Pilsen malt flavor, slightly dry finish of Pils yeast. I expected a little more sweetness after getting the aroma. Bitterness of hops comes through clear on 2nd 0.5L glass. It's not very different from the Fürst Wallerstein's Landsknecht-Bier,which I reviewed here.


    A mix of Pils with a little sweet component of a Bayerisches Märzen. However, if you taste only from the front, you get too much sourness, so to enjoy this beer, put the glass on top of the front of tongue and wash it over the middle and back for the sweetness to register at all. That's also when you'll notice the hops. But why do I need to do this simply to enjoy this beer?

    Ate with orecchiette noodles with salsiccia and turnip greens.

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  12. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    I've had the Krug Brau stuff. Not bad.Thanks for the review.

    ...and, generally, I find I don't have a problem with Kellerbier hitting the front of my tongue :wink:
     
  13. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany
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    Krugbräu is our brew of choice when the wife and I are at one of our yearly Heavy Metal festivals because the Getränkemarkt right next to the hotel we're staying in has it. When our own cases are starting to deplete we re-munition with Krugbräu. I like it quite a bit myself and it has stood the test in many situations.
    ~ Warm, cold, icy.
    ~ For breakfast, lunch and in the middle of the night.
    ~ At +35°C and at -5°C (the festival is in April so climate varies wildly over the years...).
    ~ With pretty much everything you can eat out of a trunk or burn over a charcoal fire.
    ~ Drunk, sober, hungover, you name it... :slight_smile:
     
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  14. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    Just a tease of what arrived in the mail this week. Cost me a pretty penny, but I hope it'll be worth every cent. I'm not sure you can enlarge these pics and see the labels, but the amount of hops in these beers looks staggering, as well as the other ingredients. Yes, I'm living large.
     
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  15. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Now That's what I'm lookin' for.
     
  16. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Just cracked my first Weltenburger Barock Dunkel, 4.7% ABV. Clearly a step above the helles and Anno 1050, both whiich disappointed. Dunel shows fantastic colour, great caramel flavors without being cloying, smooth and easy drinking, I could knock back a lot of these. Is it any wonder that the German styles are undoubtedly the best session beers on the planet? Highly recommended if you find it.

    The Asam Bock is on deck tomorrow night. Prost ihr Säcke!
     
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  17. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    The Asam Bock is really delicious, IMO. You might also like (if you have access to them) Weissenohe's Bonafatius Dunkel, which was OK on its own but really went well with my German dinner of bratwurst and spätzle, and Kloster Scheyern's Dopplebock Dunkel.
     
  18. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1315/3606/?ba=steveh

    From that review:
    *That was a reference to making comparisons to other Doppels.

    I really do enjoy the Weltenburg beers.
     
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  19. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany
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    It's so much better after you hicked from Kelheim to Weltenburg. Even more fun it is to, after several Mass in their famous beer garden, to ride back in a "Zille" which is basically a canoe. They are normally used to ferry people across the Donau at the monastery who ended up walking there along the wrong bank but for an extra 10 the boat owners can usually be convinced to take you back to Kelheim. It's a 300 Meter walk from the boat landing to the Schneider Brauhaus and maybe 1000 Meters to the Frischeisen Brauerei in Affecking.
     
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  20. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    All this talk of Weltenburger, I had to pick up a few on my way home tonight.

    Einhorn, which Helles did you sample? I'm drinking the Barock Hell right now and it's about the closest to a Bavarian Helles I've had in a bottled beer here in the U.S. Rich, bready nose. Bready, lightly sweet to dry flavor -- just a great example of the style.

    I also liked the Anno for being such a great example, so I'm sort of surprised at (and sorry for) your disappointment.
     
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