Bayernbiere Bought and Drunk

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  1. MattRiggs

    MattRiggs Crusader (451) Dec 1, 2012 Illinois

    It looks like there isn't much interest in a February meeting. I'll reserve a spot for April 12th or 19th. Any preferences? Afternoon or evening?
     
  2. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany
    In Memoriam

    In situations like this I pop open one bottle right in the Getränkemarkt and then decide if one was good or if I want a Kasten :grinning:
     
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  3. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Sounds like a good description of a Northern Bavarian Dunkel to me!
     
  4. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    I have good and bad news today. The good news is that I drank 5 of the 6 Hummel Bräu's Märzen I had ordered online, and they were really, really good. The bad news is I didn't review those 5; rather, I drank them with the girlfriend and enjoyed them during the Christmas season. Actually, that's still part of the good news. The bad news is that the 6th of the 6 bottles I had planned to review is infected and thus unreviewable. It's got a nice tang of sourness, and this is what you'd expect if you let a Märzen go all Brett in a 2ndary fermentation on you fermenting in primary with the regular yeast. It's refreshing is a 7-up kinda way and it tastes the way a few of my infected home-brews turned out, so I know what I'm tasting. The infected version is quite good... refreshing is the best term... but not at all what the it originally tasted like. The underlying Märzen is hidden by this tanginess, so I best not review what it originally tasted like.

    Here are pics to verify I really did open and drink this beer:
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    I'll reorder this beer some time in the future so I'll be able to give a real report on it.
     
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  5. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    I hope this next beer won't be infected. I've already 5 of the 6 bottles again, so it's this one or no review.
    Today we got Eichhofener's Eichator Doppelbock.

    The best buy date on the label below is April, 2014, and I ordered it on Nov. 23, so it was right from the brewery to my table. It's also a 0.33L bottle, which for a 7.0% beer isn't too bad.
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    Here's the beer in the glass.
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    Appearance: Dark amber, browns, reds, not black but verging on it, very dark but still see through and clear when held up to the light. The beer is under a vanilla-white head that dissipated quickly. The pic makes the head look tan and darker, but in reality, it's not.

    Aroma: The first whiffs give you sweet, roasted malts exploding into the nose. I get lots of München malt, Aroma, maybe Wiener malt, incredible amounts of caramel with a hint of burnt brown sugar and lots of umami. Wow... love the aroma... no alcohol and a almost no hops, either, just a blast of malts. Just the aroma is WOW.

    Flavor: The front has a lot of burnt roasted malt with a hint of bitterness of the hops. I also get a little tang of tartness here. The tartness spreads into the center of the tongue, and here is also where we feel the slight burn of alcohol to remind us of its bockness, giving a slight whisky cask flavor to it with complex flavors of tart cherries, raspberries and underlying tones of vanilla and the burnt sugar of a creme brûlée. The back is all caramel malts, whatever the combo they used of München and Melanoidens, Amber and Red malts, as also evidenced by the beer's red/amber color. Here's also where the alcohol kick is a little noticeable, not burning at all, but just there like a 40+ old whiskey. It really tastes like it's been lagered in a whiskey cask, though I don't think it was. The back also has that wonderful tart/sour cherry flavor that reminds me of a homemade cherry-rum concoction a student of mine gave me as a Christmas present. Maybe it's a hint of smoked malt? I don't think so, but it's incredibly complex. It's also got a hint of plums, a very little red wine going for it, too. The aftertaste is all malts, roasted and caramel, and cherries, the same flavors as all through the beer.

    Mouthfeel: Very thick, warming, wonderful, feels "wet" (the opposite of dry?) and süffig, going down wonderfully like a 40+ year old whiskey.

    Overall: WOW... the complexity of this beer is outstanding. It's vinous, like an old bottle of port stowed away in a cellar for 30 years, it's got caramel of a Märzen, it's got roasted malts, it's got umami of burntness, though I don't get the chocolate and other flavors mentioned by other reviewers on BA and RB. I have to say when i drank it dinner a few weeks ago, I wasn't impressed. The sweetness probably interfered, yet as a post-dinner, it's wonderful. It's such a complex beer, no straight-forward flavors except the malts, but all kinds that hit you on all sides of your mouth. I also like that it's not a cloying sweetness I've had from some Bayrische beers so strong I couldn't finish the glass, let alone the bottle. The tartness upfront and in the center is refreshing and gives a nice balance to all the roasted and caramel malt sweetness. Again.... a WOWwow beer. Give it a 4.85.
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “…feels "wet" (the opposite of dry?)” Tony, FWIW the opposite of dry is sweet (to me).

    Or if it is just a little bit sweet I will sometimes say off-dry.

    Cheers!
     
  7. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    "Drank 5 in a row and they were really, really good" is the only "review" I really need. Perfect.
     
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  8. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany
    In Memoriam

    So the Schlossbrauerei Eichhofen was not a total loss then :slight_smile: Did I ever mention that I drive right through the actual brewery on my way home from work when I choose to take the scenic route ? :grinning: They usually have a brewery fest in July when the block off the road for a weekend and turn the entire yard into a huge improvised beer garden. Damn, I'm thirsty now and it's only 7:34 am local time :slight_frown:
     
  9. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    I'll get to Schneider Weisse's Tap 4 Mein Grünes in a minute, but first...

    Schneider Weisse Fancy Pants Glass, A Review!
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    As you may or may not care know, over the past few years, I've become a proponent of #properglassware. Why? Because it just works. The various German beer styles look great in their particular glass, and odd in a different glass. Don't ask me why - it's science. Which is why I've always approached the Fancy Pants style of glass with no small amount of skepticism. It's not made for anything (well, aside from "tasting" beer). It's not suited to any particular style, it's trying to fit in all styles. I have to say, philosophically, I'm pretty much against Fancy Pants beer glasses.

    Thing is, this glass is really great. It shows off the beer in a beautiful way, seems to concentrate the aroma, and is comfortable to hold by either the stem or the "bowl" of the glass. It's good for swirling. It works on every level. Nevertheless, I think I'll be repurposing it as my favorite red wine glass and letting it go at that.

    Now onto the beer.

    Schneider Weisse's Tap 4 Mein Grünes:
    500 ml bottle poured into a Fancy Pants glass that is marked at 200 ml but appears to hold about 450 ml.

    At 6.2% ABV, this beer has a bit of an unpleasant sharpness to it. I'm really ambivalent about this beer. On one hand it's rather good, but on the other hand it just tastes too alcoholic for me when I think of a hefeweizen (I have the same issue with Vitus, by the way). I mean, I guess that's the point of a Weizen-bock, so maybe chalk it up to me not being a huge fan of the style and call it a 3.75/5.00.

    Cheers!
     
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  10. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    First of all, it's funny that you wrote double the amount about a glass than the beer.

    Second, the line marking the 250ml is where the Wirt, or bartender would stop his pour, and it's also the optimal amount for swirling and thus getting the "nose" of the beer. I got 2 of these Tekuglässer, as they are officially called, or ProBier Glass (the joke here is that probieren means "to try/taste), as I've heard it in BKL. This style of glass is meant to enhance the nose and flavor, yes, but it has a psychological affect as well. Here is an article that explains the origins of this glass, which I quote from New York First:
    Third, this leads me to an explanation of how this "fancy pants" glass is perceived in Germany. To use a "fancy pants" glass in a shape similar to a wine glass puts it on par with wine as a perceived "luxury" item, á la Louis Vitton or other expensive items for the chicki micki crowd, which basically moves the image of beer from an item for the common man, workers, farmers, and hence the image of the lowest cost possible as the main ISP to a drink more for the noble classes. Germany is quite class conscious, though not nearly as much as England, and you still have people who are impressed by the von in a name, which implies the nobility, and flaunt that too; even though done away with officially and governmentally, it still has a hold on the popular mindset. Though meritocratic by history, Germany still not quite as democratic in a social sense as the U.S. is, by which I mean, class in Germany can still be a huge factor in how people view the world. Marketers of course use that to their advantage. In other words, by clothing beer in a more regal, fancy, luxury oriented glass, it's able to rebrand itself, lift above the cheapest supermarket price point image and fetch far higher prices per bottle than beer would normally be in Germany. It's also why you don't see the "traditional" Pils, Weizen, Pokal or other glassware are these beer things, even though traditionally those beer styles are served therein. No, in places like BrauKunstLive, the Teku glass are de rigueur because of how it repositions beer in the mindset of the consumer. Does that make sense?
     
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  11. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    Finally getting around to reviewing Eichhofener's Festbier, of which I've already had 5 of the 6, so this being the last of that batch, I need to get down to it and review it. With the Festbier, I'll have reviewed Eichhofener's entire lineup of their regular beers, so that will do it for me and this brewery.
    Here's what I wrote in April, 2013... so it'll be interesting to see if my perception of it is the same as before:


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    Appearance: Unlike the image above, it's deep amber with more orange than red, clear as a bell, under a snow white head that dissipated quickly. Looks very Märzen-like. The color indicates München and Melanoiden malts abound.

    Aroma: Lots and lots of Münchner malt aromas, caramels and breadiness in a typical Märzen smell that draws you inside the TEKU beer glass and gets the tongue ready to savor the flavor.

    Flavor: In the front I get a hint of tartness, and almost only a hint of bitterness, but it's lurking there and noticeable if you look for it. The middle is more pronounced tartness, almost a slight lemony flavor, but not quite, maybe from The sides pick up the caramel and bread flavor for the first time, exactly like the aroma. In the back, again, a noticeable tartness but also a nice amount of caramel from Münchner malts, not overwhelming or a majority of the taste, but it's got that Märzen-like flavor in the back. Basically, it's a sweet-sour-like combo of tartness and caramel flavors mixing quite nicely and equally to give this an interesting interpretation of the Festbier style. The aftertaste is all caramel and breadiness, lingering long after the swallow is done.

    Mouthfeel: Typisch-Bayrisch, or typical Bavarian: thick but here not too much and a tad on the dry side from the large amount of tartness present on all parts of the tongue.

    Overall, an immensely pleasurable aroma of a Märzen and the flavors of sweet caramel and tartness balanced equally, then finished off with full on caramel overdrive in the aftertaste. Very good beer. Not the best ever, but easily a cut about the average Festbiers. This beer held its own and complimented a wide variety of foods I ate, from cake to steak, fries to tortilla chips, though I found the sweet flavors of food worked the best as a compliment. What from the aroma and aftertaste is a typical Märzen, a sweetness that lulls you drowsiness like a siren singing her song, the tartness then gives a slight kick that picks you up instead. So it really is a nice beer to drink in summer and in winter.
     
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  12. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    Too much sense, sadly. This will definitely be repurposed as a wine glass. Sorry about the abbreviated beer review. Feel free to add the phrase "faint taste of orange peel" in there somewhere. :wink:
     
  13. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    While everyone's arguing in the other threads, I'm doing some serious reviewing here :stuck_out_tongue:. Got my last Eichhofener, of which I had 4 1L bottles to drink from my December order from Bavarian Biershop (not Biershop Bayern). This is the last one, so I better review it before my girlfriend convinces me to offer it to her.

    This is the Spezial Dunkel. Before I show you my pretty pictures, here's what the label looks like in the normal 0.5L bottle, which I took from Eichhofener's website:
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    But I got the 1L bottle, and here's what it looks like in their normal packaging, according to their webiste:
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    Nice wooden 6-pack box, eh?

    I believe I may have gotten a special Christmas or December edition bottle with a special label emblazoned or printed directly onto the bottle, rather than a paper label, and here's what it looks like:

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    On the top of the bottle where the plop-top label is, it's interesting that only Dunkel Bier is printed. Also interesting is the ingredients label on the back, not for the ingredients, which are the usual and nondescript: water, barley malt, hops, yeast. No, the Best by date is interesting: 22.02.2014, or 3 months from when I got the beer, which I bet was very fresh when it was shipped in December.
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    Now to what it looks like, and I have to say that pics are somewhat deceiving, so I took 2 to prove this, one with the light in front of the beer, and another with the light coming through the beer.
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    Completely different views of the same beer, eh? The actual beer is between both those pics.

    Here's their description of beer, á la marketing speak, first in German:
    ...and in English:​
    So to Appearance: It's dark, black with dark ruby and amber tones when held up, all under a very light tan head that dissipates quickly.

    Aroma: Lots of roasted and caramel malts, and a decent tart note in the nose. Quite pleasant and refreshing.

    Flavor: This beer is quite similar to Eichhofener's Festbier, only more roasted malt flavors. In the front, you a strong dose of tartness (not sourness) with a slight dry, burnt umami taste lingering on the front of the tongue from the roasted malts. The center is more of the same, only even stronger than before, and on the sides finally the relief of burnt and roasted malts flood the senses. The back is where the fun begins, really, with more burntness, some licorice notes and then a lot more burnt roasted malt mixed with caramel sweetness into one umami flavor. However, it's more complex a flavor than that, finding undertones of bitter dark chocolate. It's almost like sucking on a roasted malt hard-candy. You also get the spritzy tartness in the back, as well. The aftertaste is dry, light tartness and a long lingering roasted malt flavor that stays on the tongue long after the swallow is complete.

    Mouthfeel: This is both a very full-bodied, thick, typically Bayern beer, but simultaneously also has a spritzy dryness from the tartness and the yeast still popping the mini bubbles and scrubbing the tongue. Like the Festbier of Eichhofener, this is a multi-talented beer in that it could hold up well with a Torte or Kuchen, or fried chicken or schnitzel, though I'd prefer a cake with this beer I think.

    Overall: It's a good, really good, almost great Dunkel Kellerbier. I like the sweet-sour affect that the roasted and München caramel malts achieve with a tartness and dryness. It's sweet, caramelly, roasted umami in spades,yet tart & spritzy at the same time, giving it a lighter, dryer feel after you're done than if it were simply a Dunkel with lots of roasted and caramel malts. Without much hops, it's quite an achievement. Though with all that, there's something missing, though I'm not sure what, but overall, it's still a really really good beer. 4.4/5.
     
  14. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Is that our cue to bitch about how we can't get those beers here? :wink:
     
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  15. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    So who remembers the halcyon days when @boddhitree always included a little "sausage ****" to go with his beer reviews? I sure do. So without further delay:

    Schneider Weisse Tap 6, Mein Aventinus:
    500 ml bottle poured into a Schneider Weisse Fancy Pants glass.

    This (and especially the Eisbock) drink a bit more like a Quad than a wheat beer. Similar hints of dark fruits and etc. In fact, my choice of Pig Pairing was a Pflaumen Leberpastete (or plum pate from pig liver). My wife, who is genuinely much better at these sorts of things, said they paired really well, and the plum in one brought out the plummy notes in the other. I also had some Bavaria Blu (more like a Brie or Camembert with veins), a locally made "Bierkäse", and some Dijonsenf Käse to go with it. In short, I didn't feel like cooking today. :grinning:

    Anyway, a decent enough beer (and the cheese was nothing to write home about. Enjoyed the pate, though.). Very much unique in the world of German beer, so that counts for an extra quarter point. I'd give it 4.25 beer mugs out of 5.00.
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    Cheers!
     
  16. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Though it's readily available around me, I don't drink this all the time because -- when I do get the urge, it always reminds me how good beer can be; so complex and flavorful that I never want to get accustomed to it!

    Serve one to a skeptical wine drinker and watch the amazement flood their face!
     
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  17. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany
    In Memoriam

    They call it Märzen outright on their beer menue.
     
  18. spartan1979

    spartan1979 Pundit (970) Dec 29, 2005 Missouri

    Mahr's Bräu Christmas Bock

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    I picked this up at a local liquor store. I figured that since it was a Christmas Bier it couldn't be too old. Actually, I think it may be the same bock I had when I was in Bamberg in October.

    A nice deep gold color. Compared to the German Maibocks we get around here, it's less malty and more bitter. But then again it's got less ABV than what I normally see. But one of the things I liked about Bamberg Bock Biers (with the exception of Fässla) was that they didn't feel the need to hit you over the head with alcohol. It's a got lot of Pils malt flavor.

    Overall, a decent bier. I might have to buy a couple of more bottles to hold me over until the Helles Bock I'm brewing this weekend is ready.
     
  19. danfue

    danfue Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2012 Germany

    I just had the Faust Doppelbock. I must say, this is an absolutely overwhelming beer! Before I started getting into beers, taking notes, rating them, taking pictures, etc., Bockbier had a very bad image for me. But that was based upon the Bockbiers by the macros I knew, Carolus der Starke by Binding for example. They are typically sweet, but also very alcoholic in a bad sense. Fuselalkohole is the keyword I know now. Later on, I discovered that some Doppelbocks can actually be quite good, Ayinger Celebrator, the Bockbiers from Einbeck and Schönramer's Saphir Bock have been some favorites of mine lately. This Doppelbock by Faust now is right up there, maybe even better. It's definitely one of the best beers belonging to the Bockbier-category that I have ever tasted.

    I can't say much about its color as I poured it into the mug I got with the Faust box. But what poured out of the bottle seemed to be a typical brown. It is very sweet, there is virtually hardly any bitter or aromatic taste of hops. The sweetness, however, is so good! It's embedded in a complex taste of fruits and spices, rather dark fruits I would associate. Maybe berries, plums. Absolutely delicious! The texture is smooth, it goes down so well. The carbonation seems rather low, very well fitting. The best thing about it is, you don't notice you are drinking a rather strong beer (7 % ABV). It almost seems as if one could drink a few of this in a row (dangerous thing though). This kind of being spritig (a word you might read in some German beer ratings, meaning tasting alcoholic in that bad sense) that many Doppelbocks have, is absolutely not there! It reminds me of a Belgian dark ale. With all those fruity aromas, is this even bottom-fermenting?!

    So, all in all, very very good. I'm glad I found this one and I'm sad that Faust's excellent products are so little known in Germany. Good work, @MattRiggs !

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  20. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    My one knock on Troeg's Troegenator is exactly this - a bit too spritig for me. Still good, but the best dopplebocks don't have it.
     
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