BBA Wee Heavy Scotch Ale.. input?

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  1. cfrobrew

    cfrobrew Initiate (0) Oct 9, 2012 Texas

    What yeast would you suggest instead?
     
  2. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
    Pooh-Bah


    Backwood Bastard is a great beer, and more of my motivation. It's not a very dark beer, it says it's hopped to 50 IBU's, and it's around 10%. It's sweet, but just sweet enough to be a treat, and not hard to finish it at all. I like the hot boozy note it tosses. One of my favorites.

    If I manage around 1.100 and get to 1.025 roughly, thats just shy of 10%, add in the bourbon oak, and I'm probably right on my 10%. BS has me at 1.110, but I'll be around that ballpark.

    I'm thinking using UK Phoenix, and some Magnum leaf and getting around 50 IBU's.

    I plan to pitch 2L starter of WY 1728, and some US05.
     
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  3. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    So I brewed it up not long ago.. maybe 3 weeks ago, and it's still somewhat bubbling along. Kept it nice and low for a good week or more at 62*. Used 1728 and US05 together in a co pitch. Hit it with 120 sec of O2, and then 60 seconds around 10 hours later.

    I was down to 1.026 from 1.105 OG in 14 days. Tasted okay, not are caramel like as I wanted, still yeasty, but it was still fermenting away. A slight dark fruit and boozy rum note.

    I can tell this beer will need some time, and it will need the wood notes. Plan to actually pull some and add some bourbon soaked vanilla beans to and see how it works with some of the barrel/wood notes. Might rack it onto the secondary that I've loaded with cubes that have now been used twice for a 14.5% RIS, and a 7% Chocolate stout. Add some heavy charred oak to it and a little vanilla bean and let it age away on the subtle 3rd use wood and some fresh spirals later.

    Anyways- it taste good, slightly thinner than I want, and the IBU's are good. Went with around 45-48 IBU's I think it was. More than to style, but enough to hold up over time and the sweetness.
     
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  4. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    There's a lovely recipe here for an historic Scotch Ale , once as well known as Guinness and Bass.It's computed at 122 IBU by the way which may lay to rest some of the myths about this style.
    http://barclayperkins.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/lets-brew-wednesday-1879-william.html
    and this, only 105 IBU though
    http://barclayperkins.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/lets-brew-wednesday-1868-william.html
     
  5. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Maybe a very small amount of Peated malt, not to smoke it up per say but might add that earthiness.
     
  6. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    First, Thank you for sharing these recipes. I had not seen this resource before, and I now look forward to trying these.

    Second, is there any information re: the expected level of carbonation for these? I am thinking generally pretty little, but do not have any historical information to go on here.
     
  7. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    I haven't a clue about carbonation but in general British beer styles are generally only gently carbonated.Particularly for beers which are available both on cask and in bottle which I should imagine would have been the case for these beers.
     
  8. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    O.K. thanks, that was the direction I was guessing. I think I am going to try the #3 first, but I may end up doing both.
     
  9. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Already brewed it.. Wouldn't dare add any peat smoked malt to it anyways.
     
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  10. dogglebe

    dogglebe Initiate (0) Feb 12, 2013 New York

    The peat will also help dry the batch out. My wee heavy starts at 1.120 and normally finishes at 1.030 (and onl;y 28 IBUs). I haven't had any complaints that it's too sweet... just too big.


    Phil
     
  11. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I get enough smokey phenols from the yeast. Not a fan of any smoked malt in my scotch ales. Not to say people don't add them and like them, but I just find them out of the question for me to add to my own.

    Looks like it's pretty much done at around 1.019 from 1.105. 81% apparent attenuation. Not bad.
     
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  12. beer272

    beer272 Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2009 New Jersey

    When I pitch two yeasts I toss the weaker one in first (hopefully the one with good flavor). Then say 1728 which I like too. It just keeps going in terms of fermenting.

    This is what a recent 1728 did for me...

    A17) 4/14/13 04/14/13 1.145
    Into Bucket Secondary 04/30/13 93% Apparent Atten (%)
    Bottling 11/11/13 1.010 76% Actual Atten (%)
    Drink 8 months 07/09/14 ≠ 18.00 ABV
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    I'll bite. How?
     
  14. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Interesting.. I co pitched because quite frankly, I didn't want a ton of the esters from the 1728, and I know it works well cold. I fermented at 61* pretty much the whole time, and figured the 1728 would help the US05. Not only that, but I didn't have the ample cell count of the 1728 to pitch alone and didn't want US05 to tear through it alone without a dance partner.

    Good thought though.. I rarely co pitch, but I might play with it more in the future.
     
  15. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I'm assuming he's thinking it'll add an astringent like note on the tounge that will make it appear dry. Maybe similar to what Rye can do sometimes in large amounts.
     
  16. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    No authentic Scotch Ale has been anywhere smoked or peated malt.Neither is kettle caramelisation the norm.There's more misinformation about regarding Scottish brewing than anything else,even including IPA.
    Scotch Ale is the same as Burton Ale, just brewed in Scotland.
     
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  17. dogglebe

    dogglebe Initiate (0) Feb 12, 2013 New York

    It's just a very dry-tasting malt. It doesn't actually lower the gravity; it just tastes dry.
     
  18. dogglebe

    dogglebe Initiate (0) Feb 12, 2013 New York

    When wood fires were actually used by breweries, Scotland used peat as it was readily available.
     
  19. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    They also used coal.Beer shouldn't taste of coal.Peat and smoke have never been characteristic of Scottish beer , at least in the past 300 years.It's been confused with Scotch whisky production in which these factors are important.Much of Scottish beer production used English malt in any case.
     
  20. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Other than hating the taste of peat smoked malt, and the fact it's not something most brewers add, I opted out of using it myself.

    I did however, pull 1g of first runnings and boil down to a quart and add back to the main kettle to garner some more color due to me saying piss off on the roasted barley or chocolate malt in there for color.
     
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