BC rare vs DB Mexican cake

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  1. linnymtu

    linnymtu Savant (1,206) Apr 2, 2010 Michigan
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    what(if anything) needs adding to the cake?
     
  2. zookerman182

    zookerman182 Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2013 Alabama

    Probably another barrel aged cake needs to be added to the barrel aged cake.
    I'm being serious.
     
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  3. linnymtu

    linnymtu Savant (1,206) Apr 2, 2010 Michigan
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    No prob, that's why I asked.
     
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  4. pmoney

    pmoney Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2011 Illinois

    I respect your opinion, but I'd say it's probably closer to 1.5 BA Cakes if that makes sense. The BA Cake variants go 1+:1 for beers like BA Abraxas and DBH. And those beers trade at least equal if not higher than Rare.
     
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  5. zookerman182

    zookerman182 Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2013 Alabama

    The cakes traded really high for a month after the release but I've noticed they just aren't trading close to what they were. You could maybe find someone who would want a BA cake + something like huna or abraxas.
     
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  6. zookerman182

    zookerman182 Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2013 Alabama

    I agree with you completely.
    I just didn't know how to explain a half a cake so I said another one to make it simple.
     
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  7. pmoney

    pmoney Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2011 Illinois

    Maybe something like a BA Cake + regular Cake for a Rare. Or two BA Cakes for Rare plus something like Backyard.
     
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  8. HighLowJack

    HighLowJack Savant (1,230) Jun 5, 2013 Massachusetts
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    I think its actually closer to 2 db cakes for 1 rare. I think the db cake trades basically = prop, fou, stuff like that and it would take at least 2 prop for a rare.
     
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  9. ResIpsaLoquitur

    ResIpsaLoquitur Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2010 New York
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    2 db cakes is off. I'd agree 1.5 , or plus regular cake is reasonable. But given 5 he reports that Rares taste has fallen way off I wouldn't make the trade if you're on the cake side
     
  10. HighLowJack

    HighLowJack Savant (1,230) Jun 5, 2013 Massachusetts
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    here is a thread where someone valued 1 Rare at 2x Bramble (which trades at least around DB Cake I think)

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/communi...lennium-geuze-iso-points.223355/#post-2909975

    another one where Rare was valued at 2x LIL or 2x Prop

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/iso-rare-ft-points.168888/

    someone looking for 3x Prop but was told 2x Prop for Rare was fine

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/ft-rare-iso-3x-prop.150923/#post-2136546

    meanwhile guys trading DB Cakes for bottles that would typically trade below prop

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/iso-lpk-ft-db-cake-us-only.227472/

    I dunno I'm just pretty sure I could trade a Fou to get a DB Cake and I'm not even positive I could trade 2x Fou for a Rare, and I really doubt something like Fou + St. Lam (1.5 Fou?) gets done
     
  11. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,239) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    Hard to believe it's drastically falling off when there's lots of recent reviews giving it a 5.
     
  12. linnymtu

    linnymtu Savant (1,206) Apr 2, 2010 Michigan
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    Thanks all, this helped me make a trade I was on the fence about. It was much less than 2 BA Cake, but certainly BA Cake "+"
     
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  13. ResIpsaLoquitur

    ResIpsaLoquitur Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2010 New York
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    Do a search for.comments on it. In the forums. The beer rating system to.me is essentially worthless given how it's abused and misused by people.
     
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  14. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,239) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    I'm aware of the comments. But people's posts on here tend to be worthless as well.
     
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  15. pmoney

    pmoney Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2011 Illinois

    I tend to get more credibility to the written reviews. If you filter the most recent ~20 written reviews and average the score, it's an average of 4.76 which is a rating of just over 95.
     
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  16. mlhyatt

    mlhyatt Initiate (0) Jul 27, 2013 Georgia

    Rare for 2 prop is probably about spot on although Rare may have to add a small plus. DB cake is probably prop + something small (personally I wouldn't trade for prop with db cake. way fewer bottles, tastes better, etc.)

    Definitely closer to 1.5 cakes. If you did two cakes then I would ask for a plus.

    As for the falling off comment about the Rare; just because it's fallen off doesn't mean it's not still a great beer. Had it 6 months ago for the first time and it was great. But that doesn't mean that it tasted the same as it did 4 years ago. IF anyone really believes that all the flavors that were there when it was fresh are still there then you're not living in reality. Fallen off just means the original flavors aren't present anymore (or are vague), it doesn't mean it is bad, don't get that confused. Would love to see a beer that hasn't changed in 4 years. I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who had it fresh and recently and thinks that the beer hasn't changed.
     
  17. mgr78704

    mgr78704 Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Texas

    What was the +? I'm interested in a Rare and could do a DB Cake +
     
  18. Theredflame2

    Theredflame2 Zealot (608) Jul 30, 2011 Virginia
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    Not sure about the current ratio's, but I traded 3 Props for a Rare when Prop first came out last year. I also traded 3 Props for a complete BAMC set (2014 set) about a month ago… so I would say Rare should trade for the entire BAMC set.. just my personal experience… maybe the value of Rare has fallen off but for a long time 3 x Prop for Rare was the going rate.
     
  19. HighLowJack

    HighLowJack Savant (1,230) Jun 5, 2013 Massachusetts
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    I guess I think about it in Fou terms. Feels like I have seen a lot of DB Cake / Fou trades 1:1 and also Fou/Prop trades 1:1 so Prop 1:1 with DB Cake seems very close to me.

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/communi...can-cake-ww-dark-arts-ft-fou-foune-14.224716/

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/ft-db-cake-iso-fou-foune-14.219343/

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/ft-db-cake-iso-fou-foune-14.218446/

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/ft-db-mc-iso-fou-foune.213775/#post-2804462
     
  20. zookerman182

    zookerman182 Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2013 Alabama

    This thread is a great example of why there aren't set values for beer.
    everyone's trades are different depending on availability to the person and just in general how nice a person is.
    glad to see you got this done and feel good about it.
     
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