Beatification trade value

Older batches of beat are much, much rarer than B5 - but B5 is so damn good - does it matter?

 

Perhaps a small bottle, but I don't see it happening for a big Blabaer.

 

Batch 004 landed me a Blabaer 375ml if thats any help

 

I'm relatively new to trading but the trade value of beat 5 just blows me away. Extrapolate the value of a B5 bottle to a bottle of B3 and you can probably trade it for the entire Cantillon Brewery, plus extras.

 

While I have not been actively trying to land a B5, I have been seeing it offered and listed in completed deals for things that I never would have seen an older batch go for. The abundance seems to have made it much easier to get from what I have seen.

Then again, depending on how much rarer deals offend your sense of value most bottle releases these days could land under your perception of B5's trade value...

 

I talked to Vinnie when I purchased B5 and he said Beat will be brewed more regularly (at least more than before). However, he did say he is tweaking the barreling process to get a more balanced, less acetic beer. I found this welcome, but perhaps those seeking the wild sucker-punch of batches 1-5 may be seeking these earlier versions out in the future.

 

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say but my perception of its trade value is I've seen people offering it 1:1 and wanting Huna, KtG, CBS, in return, which I think is crazy for a beer that may have been a brewery only release but lasted for what, almost 2 months on the shelves of the brewery?

 

I think 1:1 B5 for '12 Dark Lord is a fair trade. Also exactly $4$...

 

If they're getting done, it is likely that slight additions have been made for either rarity or $4$. There are always exceptions. Some people may not care and just trade their Kate 1:1. Of course, not every trade post gets done and there seem to be a lot of people that just shoot for the stars.

 

I don't understand why some people keep trying to equate the "value" of this beer versus the length of time it was available. Please help me understand, seriously. Rare was on shelves for months so based on this same thought process it shouldn't be worth much. Westy12 is available year round so I guess it should trade for the likes of BMC. The last Upland lambics sold out online in approx 2 minutes thus hypothetically making it one of the biggest whales of them all.

Really, if your are someone who believes in this theory please explain your rationale because I don't get it.

 

Everyone views trade value differently, but here's my take on it. Of course there are many things that go into the perceived trade value of a beer. One of them being the availability on the initial market, not including trade, ebay, etc, but the initial sale of it whether that be in the brewery, bottle shops, etc. Lets compare two beers as an example. Say distribution is equally limited (ie. both beers are available as brewery only releases), and locations are in relative equally accessible geographical areas. Beer A has a release event, it sells out immediately and there are even hundreds of people who show up to the event, get completely shut out and leave without getting a single bottle. Beer B on the other hand, has a release event, lots of people come out to buy it, and not only does everyone there get as much as they want, but it doesn't sell out and is available for months longer at the brewery. There are essentially an unlimited number of bottles for those in close proximity to the brewery. Inherently the first beer is more difficult to obtain. I don't think there is any disputing that. That is the logic behind the idea of time on the shelf being correlated to rarity and trade value.

Again, its not the only thing that goes into a beers trade value, there are many equal or greater factors, most importantly quality, but also bottle number, time between releases, number of wants, etc. While its silly to completely equate value to time on the shelf, completely ignore initial availability, one big factor of which being how long it was available on the shelves, I think is equally silly.

And just to comment on your one example, Westy 12 is obviously a flawed example. Sure its available year round, but up until very recently you had to travel to a monastery in Belgium to get it.

Now don't get me wrong, I do not fault anyone with Beat for trying to land whales for it, get what you can for your beer. Also, am I jealous of those who had an essentially unlimited supply, absolutely. I just think its a stretch to ask for some of the things I've seen on the ISO:FT thread, I mean hell I remember seeing a thread trying to land BA Speedway with Beat 5.

 

I threw in a bottle of B5 in a $4$ trade. Asked if he wanted it, dude said yes and in the box it went.

 

Not trying to start a fight, just a friendly debate. So your saying Beer B is less valuable because it is available for a longer period of time but only to those in close proximity to the brewery. First of all, based on what you said, Beer B would potentially be in the hands of fewer people (people in close proximity to the brewery) as compared to Beer A. With fewer people owning beer B, I imagine it would be harder to obtain rather then easier due to tighter control. The fact that fewer people own beer B means that there are that many fewer options those owners would be willing to trade beer B for.

Your argument is also based on the assumption that there are many BA's who trade, live in close proximity to beer B, and have a bank account large enough to afford buying these beers on a regular basis. Again, even if this were true, I would argue that it would be that much harder to obtain the beer B from just a few people that own it.

 

I'm not trying to fight either, you asked for an explanation and I attempted to provide one. But I think you missed my point on the example. In it, I said both Beer A and Beer B were brewery only releases. Less people choose to go to the brewery release of B , or there were more bottles of B, or whatever reasons prevented it from selling out at its brewery only release. So what I'm trying to say is an equal number of people had to opportunity to go to both releases, if less people went to Beer Bs then presumably it was less desirable to the masses, thus another reason why it stayed on the shelves longer. Then after the release it's still available to anyone, but likely those who will take the most advantage will be the ones that live close to the brewery. Maybe I am complicating this, but to me it's pretty clear logic that if distribution is equally limited, and location is relatively equal, then the one that sold out is more desirable (or one could say more valuable). That's why many people equate time on shelf with rarity and thus value.

I guess I can see the argument that since less people chose to go to the release, those who did (plus those who live close) stocked up with large supplies and are hoarding them to increase the trade value, which could certainly be the case. But that doesn't take away from the fact that the initial (non resale or trade) availability was easier for the beer which didn't sell out at its release and hung around shelves for 2 months,

 

Want to set up a trade with me? Haha

 

I was about to say the same thing.

 

I see your point and mostly agree but I don't think we're going to get anywhere with this. To start with, your example is assuming everything is the same (ie "equal number of people"). If this were the case then I would agree with you 100% but it's not. In direct relation to beatification (or any other beer or brewery only release) I don't see how we can say everything is equal therefore making this entire argument null.

We can try to find another brewery only release beer that has a 12,000 bottle limit. Assuming we find that, we then have to look at the bottle limit per person and whether or not that is equal. In beatification's case it's 6 per person per day. Even if we find those equalities we have to look at an "equal number of people" having access to the beer. For example, 3F is much closer to a major metropolis than RR therefore I think 3F has a clear advantage of availability compared to RR.

We could go on and on and as you said there are many different factors at play. Either way, I find it ridiculous that people continue to "devalue" beatification based on how long it was available for at a brewpub 1 1/2 hours away from the nearest major city and had a 6 bottle limit per day.

 

Have you tried starting your own ISO? I have been able to trade for Beat a few times, and with such I have hooked up other people. looking at your gots, your should be able to get it done with various beers (KBS, DL, BB4D, etc) at near $4$. Just because you see someone posting an ISO does not mean that is what the beer is going for (who knows if it even gets done). And even if the deal gets done, that doesn't mean other things were not added in.

 

Oh my god why isn't anyone reading the ORIGINAL POST? He's asking about Batch 3. Everyone's opinions on Batch 5 don't matter.

That said, I have a Batch 3 and have had Batch 3 before. I recently just landed a Blabaer 750ml but haven't had it yet. My opinion has always been that Blabaer would he harder to land but I think that is changing. It seems like a lot of people have 2011 Blabaers as compared to previous years. I can see that trade getting done.