Beer Impression, Balance vs. Impact

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  1. jvgoor3786

    jvgoor3786 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,222) May 28, 2015 Arkansas
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    While I think there's a place for both, I'm more impressed by balance. I'm not a home brewer, but I feel like it's probably tougher to achieve. And I enjoy a great balanced beer longer. Something that slaps you in the face is great, but can get old after 8-12 ounces sometimes.
     
  2. sybian

    sybian Devotee (360) Aug 30, 2010 New Jersey

    Wait, PtE is distributed in South Korea?
     
  3. nerdboy19

    nerdboy19 Initiate (0) Sep 20, 2015 South Korea
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    Yeah who knew? 150 bottles only pub consume allowed were sold out in a 2 days damn.
     
  4. nerdboy19

    nerdboy19 Initiate (0) Sep 20, 2015 South Korea
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    Yeah the Pliny I had was a month or 3weeks old, I will try it fresh again sometimes. That just sounds amazing.
     
  5. OShawn1

    OShawn1 Initiate (139) Feb 5, 2016 California

    When you say "balance" over impact, there should be a caveat for "complexity" as in many cases a big impact ale tends to be more two dimensional, in my opinion, thus the balanced ale tends to have those "nuances" I find so enjoyable.
     
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  6. OldManMetal

    OldManMetal Savant (1,071) Jun 5, 2015 North Carolina

    Nice rhyme. :slight_smile:

    On topic:

    Definitely this. No need to limit yourself to one or the other.
     
  7. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    To be honest, I think a well balanced beer does have a good impact :slight_smile:

    I could go either way. Sure, on the weekend, when I'm enjoying a Sunday morning beer I want it to have some sort of impact. Week nights, when I review a beer or two, and am otherwise just drinking during Netflix, grading, or what else, I prefer balanced.
     
  8. teromous

    teromous Grand Pooh-Bah (3,180) Mar 21, 2010 Virginia
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    The beers you mentioned don't have any additives. Bomb is made with espresso beans, chocolate, vanilla beans, and ancho chile peppers. When I buy a regular imperial stout I enjoy the wonderful flavor that the malts provide. When I buy an IIPA I am enjoying the wonderful flavor that the hops provide. I really enjoy Bomb but sometimes I don't want a beer with all of that extra stuff in it. To put it into perspective of coffee you can really enjoy the flavor of a specific bean or roast. When you throw chocolate syrup, whipped cream, and pumpkin pie spice in it...sure it's going to be an enticingly sweet beverage...but it just buries the flavor of the coffee.
     
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  9. UrbanCaveman

    UrbanCaveman Pooh-Bah (1,866) Sep 30, 2014 Ohio
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    I have to join the team of people who feel that balance brings its own form of "wow" factor. I tend to feel my eyebrows rising and then noticing I've been staring at my glass for a solid minute in quiet awe far more often when having a fantastically well-executed pilsner as opposed to a bourbon-rum-port barrel aged chocolate cherry jalapeno graham cracker peanut butter ham sandwich dijon mustard whipped cream garlic guacamole and enchilada imperial stout.
     
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  10. Wiffler27

    Wiffler27 Pooh-Bah (2,092) Aug 16, 2009 South Carolina
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    i like a mixture of both. too much balance and a beer is just boring. too much impact (especially of a taste you don't particularly like) and it can be overwhelming.

    it all depends on the beer itself
     
  11. Retsinis

    Retsinis Pooh-Bah (1,622) Sep 25, 2009 Arizona
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    Both I say, but balance over extreme most of the time.
     
  12. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    I much prefer a well crafted and balanced beer.

    Anecdote time:
    In college I was in a practical brewing class. Even though I was a 19 year old math major, I was widely considered the expert of the class because I had been homebrewing for 4 years at that point. Other than me, there was a large contingent of food science brewing emphasis students and a smaller group of viniculture and enology students-- winemakers. My teacher loved to shit talk wine and these students and some of his prejudice rubbed off on me. At the end of the quarter we had a competition, and my group brewed a really balanced IPA. It was a great IPA, I didn't even like IPAs at this time, and this one got me into them. The class agreed it was the best, our keg was the only one tapped when we all shared. The judges complained it was too cloudy and dinged us out of the top spot, which I'm still salty about, and guess who won. The winemakers. They brewed a 100IBU Black like night "Everything but the kitchen sink" type brew. It was what you describe as "Impactful" it wasn't balanced or even in my opinion tasty at all. I hate them. Yep, still salty.
     
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  13. beardown2489

    beardown2489 Pooh-Bah (1,966) Oct 5, 2012 Illinois
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    Your friend is right.

    Beer advocate typical progression is this

    Keystone > Boston Lager > hoppy > stout > imperial & barrel aged > Barleywine > Belgians > sours >

    Then once you realize you've tried most everything there is to try you'll likely settle down andlearn to enjoy a well made Pilsner and occasionally sprinkle in beer of "impact" from time to time.

    I've done this cycle in about 6 years. Now I mostly drink pilsners and toss in nice fresh IPAs and an occasional BA stout from the cellar when friends come over. Oh and Hefeweizens in the summer. Never forget to drink a Hefeweizen in the summer.
     
  14. Dirtyhands

    Dirtyhands Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2014 Maryland

    Impact.

    Whats with the paragraphs? It's an unbelievably simple question.
     
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  15. BalancingBrooms

    BalancingBrooms Pooh-Bah (2,894) Aug 22, 2013 California
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  16. jayrutgers

    jayrutgers Zealot (723) Oct 29, 2011 New Jersey

    You remind me of me from six years ago.
     
  17. Satchboogie

    Satchboogie Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2010 Belgium
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    I like being blown-away, but not necessarily just by 'impact'. I've had some hop-bombs that were high-impact, but didn't blow me away because the malt-base, bitterness level, hop profile, complexity, and balance weren't were I like it. It's complicated and very personal. I like NE hop-bombs that have a touch of malt and middle of the road bitterness/aggressiveness. Abner, Upper Case, Haze, Tesseract are all beers that hit all the right 'notes' for me personally. They of course are still impact, but there are plenty of IPAs that are way more bitter, less/more malty, etc etc.

    Balanced impact? Does that even make sense? :wink: I think of Hill Farmstead porters and stouts a perfect example of balanced impact. They are super refined, balanced, and drinkable (especially the BA stuff), yet they are pretty high-impact flavor wise. They just don't blow your palate away with straight bourbon, booze, vanilla, etc. Not that those don't have a place. I also do enjoy some bourbon bombs, but they need the right body.

    And it's not just the 'high impact' beers. A well executed, fresh Kolsch, lager, session ale, etc can hit the spot and be just 'perfect', making what might as well b an 'impact'.

    It's complicated. I'm just looking for what ever beer fits my mood and hit's MY sweet spot. Sometimes my sweet spot changes though. Actually, it changes a lot!
     
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