Beer In The News thread....

Discussion in 'Great Britain' started by Aye, Mar 6, 2014.

  1. jonb5

    jonb5 Meyvn (1,030) May 11, 2010 United Kingdom (England)

  2. DJ-Hophead

    DJ-Hophead Meyvn (1,194) May 28, 2015 United Kingdom (England)

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  3. CwrwAmByth

    CwrwAmByth Poo-Bah (1,751) Jan 24, 2011 United Kingdom (England)

    Will people ever accept that makers of something can charge what they want for it? Especially so when it's a luxury. Cloudwater beers are expensive, which is why I only occasionally buy them nowadays. Not exactly a huge hardship!
     
  4. Georgefox

    Georgefox Initiate (158) Aug 19, 2013 United Kingdom (England)

    I've seen a lot about this over the last few days, they were even talking about it in work and they are John smiths drinkers.

    I had a cloudwater dipa in Manchester on Sunday and it cost and was advertised as £3.80 for a third. Whilst that does work out at £11+ for a pint j was happy to pay for a third as I felt it was affordable.

    That's part of the issue is it was being sold and advertised as a pint and at London prices.

    Some of the people who complain about this will happily pay £8/9 for cocktails. Beer is not seen by the majority as a quality product, hence the outrage.

    The pub I was at on Sunday had a tap takeover tonight by the veil. The dipas are being charged at £6 a third.
     
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  5. ShetlandJon

    ShetlandJon Initiate (117) Aug 11, 2017 Scotland

  6. jazzyjeff13

    jazzyjeff13 Poo-Bah (3,500) Nov 6, 2010 United Kingdom (England)

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  7. jonb5

    jonb5 Meyvn (1,030) May 11, 2010 United Kingdom (England)

  8. jonb5

    jonb5 Meyvn (1,030) May 11, 2010 United Kingdom (England)

  9. jazzyjeff13

    jazzyjeff13 Poo-Bah (3,500) Nov 6, 2010 United Kingdom (England)

    Article by the BBC about the rise of non-alcoholic substitutes for booze. Includes a section on non/low alcohol beer.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43582360

    Personally I'm not sure how sure how keen I'd be on these, even if I needed to avoid drinking (DD etc). My experience with low-alcohol beer has generally left me with a poor impression....
     
  10. John_M

    John_M Moderator (6,051) Oct 25, 2003 Oregon
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    Here in London for a few days,and have a few questions based on (very limited at this point) my experience here. This seemed like the best place to post my questions, rather than starting a new thread. I think they're generally related to the commemts made in the @Georgefox post above.

    Have spent most of my time in a couple of "free house" pubs (if I'm using the expression correctly), but also popped into a couple of "tied house" operations by Fuller and Green king as well. Was very happy to see real cask ale so widespread still... The Harp had around 10 cask handles, Waterloo pub 5 or 6 and the Kings Head a half dozen or so. Even the Fuller and Green King establishments had at least 3 or 4 options. On the other hand, I think only the Harp and Waterloo pub had what appeared to be "craft" options," and it didn't seem as if the word craft is exactly synonymous with quality. Almost everything from Adnam struck me as disappointing, while the beers I had from Moor were hit and miss. On the other hand, a lovely glass of shiny mosaic pale on cask was the best beer I tried during my stay (so far).

    What struck me as interesting, was what appeared to be an attempt to brew something outside of what I think as the norm for typical English styles. I tried a hoppy saison from Moor (fish out of water?), and also a pretty lackluster NE IPA from Adnam. Neither struck as an outstanding example of the style, but I was interested to see the experiment.

    Anyway, I was wondering if experimenting with non-traditional styles is becoming more common over here, and what everyone's feelings are about results so far (from a qualitative standpoint). I also noticed that it seems to pretty unusual to see anything other than GB beers on draught (unless you count things like Peroni and Heineken). The Waterloo had several German beers on tap, as well as a DIPA from Lagunitas. Otherwise, it seemed like you have to buy beer by the bottle if you want something from Belgium, Germany and the US.

    Any thoughts about those observations? Also, we'll be back for a couple more days next Thursday and Friday, and will happily take the tube to any highly recommended place on town... Thanks!
     
  11. Georgefox

    Georgefox Initiate (158) Aug 19, 2013 United Kingdom (England)

    @John_M

    I can’t speak for London since I live in the north west and I’m sure somebody else can recommend places to go to for good keg beer.

    But generally speaking you’re right that not everything labelled as craft is going to be good and cask does certain styles better than keg.

    But there are definitely breweries in the UK putting out top quality hoppy beers in keg and cans. I would say Adnams are similar to Sam Adams in reputation and not going to be the best example to look for here. If you seek out craft style bars rather than traditional pubs you should find some. If you want to try the best in this category seek out beers from cloudwater, magic rock, verdant, deya, to name a few.

    There are Belgian themed bars around the country that will specialise in Belgian beers on tap but these are going to be less frequently found. Again most craft style bars will have some American kegs on import every now and again but will be mostly UK beers on cask or keg. You should have no problem finding Belgian or American (or elsewhere) bottles and cans in bottle shops.
     
  12. John_M

    John_M Moderator (6,051) Oct 25, 2003 Oregon
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    Yes, Waterloo had some Lagunitas on tap, as does the Blackfriar here in Glasgow (where I am now). Not that I have any interest whatsoever drinking anything from the states here in the UK.

    Something that I thought interesting was the price disparity for different beers. On average, it seemed as if the higher gravity beers were more expensive (as they tend to be here in the US as well), but then again not always. I saw a lot of cask pales and bitters in the 3.9£ price range, but also plenty of others in the 5 or 6 range, for no reason that I could discern. Just a matter of perception in terms of perceived quality by the brewery in question, or is some other factor involved?

    In any event, thanks much for the recommendations. Will be on the look out for the breweries you mentioned.
     
  13. jonb5

    jonb5 Meyvn (1,030) May 11, 2010 United Kingdom (England)

  14. John_M

    John_M Moderator (6,051) Oct 25, 2003 Oregon
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  15. DJ-Hophead

    DJ-Hophead Meyvn (1,194) May 28, 2015 United Kingdom (England)

    I live in Bristol and Moor is my local brewery. They have a really solid core range, mainly keg at the tap house but most are decent on cask as well. Best place now to find them in London is the Moor Vaults on the Bermondsey strip.
     
  16. John_M

    John_M Moderator (6,051) Oct 25, 2003 Oregon
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    Thank you for the recommendation. Will try to fit the MV into the rotation on Friday.
     
  17. Dave_S

    Dave_S Initiate (137) May 18, 2017 England

    Yeah, I find that pale n hoppy on cask can be absolutely magic if it's well kept. It really seems to suit soft tropical fruit flavours.
    There's still quite a big divide in the UK between traditional brewers, who've historically made bitters and milds and focused on cask, and newer and often smaller breweries who are more interested in "international craft" styles and keg. Adnams are very much in the former camp, and while some of their craft-keg offerings are pretty respectable for a traditional brewery, it's definitely their second string. Moor I'd expect better things from in that line, though.

    Definitely more of a thing. The quality, at its best, can be superb but you have a bigger risk of hitting a total dud here than in the US because it's still a relatively new thing here so there are far more people who are willing to try this new "craft keg" stuff that they've heard about but haven't tried enough beers to know when they're being sold second rate product. This is particularly the case in a traditional pub that doesn't specialise in new-wave craft stuff.
    Yeah, I think this is probably at least partly down to cask vs keg as a thing - even in free houses, the keg lines are often tied to a macro, so they generally won't have anything apart from Carlsberg / Heineken / Fosters / whatever on keg, and that pretty much rules out interesting Belgian, German or US draft.
    I'm assuming it's too late now, but I hope you enjoyed the rest of your trip!
     
  18. John_M

    John_M Moderator (6,051) Oct 25, 2003 Oregon
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    Not at all. We're in Islay till Wednesday, and then are back in London for a few days. So any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
     
  19. Dave_S

    Dave_S Initiate (137) May 18, 2017 England

    If you want to see where the more new-wavey stuff is at then it might be worth checking out Mother Kelly's (they've got a branch in Vauxhall) or the Craft Beer Co (any convenient branch). Or if the weather's nice, the Hop Locker under Waterloo Bridge looks good for an al-fresco pint or two.
     
  20. CwrwAmByth

    CwrwAmByth Poo-Bah (1,751) Jan 24, 2011 United Kingdom (England)

    Heading into nicer weather the hop locker is a great shout, lots of great food from the market too.
     
  21. John_M

    John_M Moderator (6,051) Oct 25, 2003 Oregon
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    Thanks guys. Much obliged.
     
  22. John_M

    John_M Moderator (6,051) Oct 25, 2003 Oregon
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    The Vauxhall outpost was outstanding. Great beer selection, knowledgeable staff and a focus on local (Great Britain) craft breweries. Beer was largely served in tekus, which also surprised and impressed me. If I was a local, it's a place I would be visiting on a pretty regular basis.

    Thanks again for the tip!
     
  23. jonb5

    jonb5 Meyvn (1,030) May 11, 2010 United Kingdom (England)

  24. CwrwAmByth

    CwrwAmByth Poo-Bah (1,751) Jan 24, 2011 United Kingdom (England)

    British beers such as "Blue Moon"
     
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  25. Hanglow

    Hanglow Defender (654) Feb 18, 2012 United Kingdom (Scotland)

    More shite from timbo