Beer recommendations for Wine snobs.

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  1. tooth_decay

    tooth_decay Initiate (0) May 12, 2013 California

    Well, snob may be putting it harshly, but basically going to a party with some wine drinkers accustomed to 100ish dollar bottles of wine. I'm not trying to go out and buy 100 dollar bottles of beer, but I want some recommendations of some beers I could show them to pique their interests.

    I was already thinking about grabbing Sophie by Goose Island.

    Any others?
     
  2. anteater

    anteater Pooh-Bah (1,936) Sep 10, 2012 Oregon
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    sophie is an excellent choice, great for champagne fans as well.

    i would also recommend:
    -russian river supplication and consecration
    -flanders red ales such as cuvee des jacobsins rouge, duchess de bourgogne and rodenbach grand cru
     
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  3. Jwale73

    Jwale73 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Aug 15, 2007 Rhode Island
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    Are we talking red or white? I think a nice farmhouse is quite impressive (e.g. Foret (my preference) or Dupont) and has complexity and depth. For Reds - maybe a nice Quad (St. Bernardus). If you have access to RR, perhaps a Consecration or Temptation. Maybe something from Cascade (the Vine, Sang Noir).
     
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  4. tooth_decay

    tooth_decay Initiate (0) May 12, 2013 California

    They drink big complicated reds.
    I do have access to RR, but not ALL RR, how would you feel about supplication? Haven't tried it myself.
     
  5. gueuzedreg

    gueuzedreg Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2013 Colorado
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    Wine-to-beer drinkers always seem to go to sours/lambics/gueuze; that being said:

    This beer/lambic is hard to get; but my bro is a viticulturist/enologist (winemaker) that I had this brew for him. I acquired different years of Cantillon Saint Lamvinus (lambic that is merlot grape based). I believe that I was on the right track. Again, this may be hard to acquire, but trading for it prob is not too hard. This IMO is one of the best beers/lambics out there.

    Cheers OP for trying to get wine enthusiasts to appreciate the depth of beer these days. I am not sure if this is your goal, but I know that my brother is now drinking more beer than wine.

    The mention of Supplication is a great one too! If you are not able to find Supplication (I see that you are in CA, so you have the chance to find Supplication), try to find something as simple as La Folie.
     
  6. RochefortChris

    RochefortChris Grand Pooh-Bah (3,271) Oct 2, 2012 North Carolina
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    The Ducuhesse of Burgogne....such a beautiful lady
     
  7. Jwale73

    Jwale73 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Aug 15, 2007 Rhode Island
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    Supplication is very good too!
     
  8. nsheehan

    nsheehan Savant (1,206) Jul 3, 2011 Texas
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    Yes to supplication!
    Any good American wild or sour should be liked by at least one wine drinker. Belgian styles are next best I think, with Gueuze and Flanders styles being the best for them.

    As said above, some quads and saisons might impress. Three Philosophers is widely available.
    If you want to be a little more risky, look into some barelywines, you might have access to one that has some of the qualities wine descriptions talk about (dark fruit, leather, tannic, w/e).
    Cheers!
     
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  9. Jwale73

    Jwale73 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Aug 15, 2007 Rhode Island
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    Agreed - if you can score a DDG, you'd blow their minds!
     
  10. tooth_decay

    tooth_decay Initiate (0) May 12, 2013 California

    Any recommendations for a beer that would translate well to a pinot noir drinker?
     
  11. fernz18

    fernz18 Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2009 California

    I think you always need to take a pairing to wine snob parties in order to impress, especially if you're taking beer. Take any good quality sour like Cascade, Tilquin or Cantillon if you're lucky. Then choose something to pair with either a cheese or cured meat.

    i.e. Cascade w/ apricots & some prosciutto to pair.
     
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  12. Sweffin

    Sweffin Pooh-Bah (1,784) Jun 25, 2013 Wisconsin
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    If you can get your hands on it, FFF Arctic Panzer Wolf might be a good choice. A great DIPA flavored with white wine...assuming they enjoy/tolerate hops.
     
  13. tooth_decay

    tooth_decay Initiate (0) May 12, 2013 California

    Three Philosophers isn't bad, but I think I may go for something, a little more rare in the quad spectrum of beer. I'm thankful to live on the west coast close to some great supplied stockists.

    How do you feel about saison rue by the bruery? I've had a bottle for 4ish months sitting in my fridge that could be drunk with out much hassle :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  14. gueuzedreg

    gueuzedreg Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2013 Colorado
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    Supplication is a sour that is pinot noir barrel aged. Bingo
     
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  15. nsheehan

    nsheehan Savant (1,206) Jul 3, 2011 Texas
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    I was going to suggest that one, but didn't know if you had Bruery distro/on hand. Had it last month, great. A fair amount of Bruery beers would be good for wine people, due to them being 'wild', barrel-aged, fruit-having.
    If you're in SF (or other markets with it), Jester King makes some awesome beers that I'd bet some wine people would love (their non-regular line-up).

    Be careful though, some of the best 'wilds' might be off-putting to wine people. E.g. Beatification is great, but to a wine person, wet horse, gym socks, and urea aren't exactly friendly terms.:wink:
     
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  16. VictorWisc

    VictorWisc Maven (1,379) Jan 2, 2013 Massachusetts

    Two things that wine snobs detest and many BA people like--Brett and vinegar. I would actually stay away from strong sours. The lambics may not only appear too sour, but weak at the same time. And other wild ales are just way too sour. If you can't differentiate between a Kriek and a Framboise, it's not going to appeal to a wine drinker. Same goes for a lot of really funky stuff. Another problem is that all those tend to be too weak.

    Still, I would go with three recommendations--Belgian, Belgian, Belgian. The sweeter and the stronger Belgian ales will likely win over a lot of wine drinkers, especially with food (but not the overwhelmingly sweet ones). One thing that appeals to a lot of wine drinkers is complexity (which is one reason why you age wines), so Dubbels and Tripels are easy.

    Second, anything that's good an barrel aged, but not overly syrupy or sweet (no Dark Lord, I guess).

    I would also suggest as a possibility the more tropical IPAs. Wine snobs will balk at overwhelming bitterness, but if tropical notes are dominant, it just may win them over. Flower Power (despite the concerns over onions and cat pee I just picked up from other threads) is in that category. Torpedo is not. Wine drinkers will not drink Torpedo or anything like it for the simple reason that bitterness lingers and transfers to subsequent drinks for quite some time.

    Being both a beer and wine drinker--and, perhaps both a beer and wine snob--this pretty much describes my palate. I am no longer offended by the sourness of something like Odio Equum, but, given a choice, I'd rather pick up an Ommegang Abbey Ale for dinner. At the other end, Uncle Jacob's and Insanity, both drinkable like a good wine. One way in which I depart from most wine drinkers is that I actually like yeastiness and brett in my beer (but it would be awful in wine). Wine drinking is all about balance and nuances, so one-dimensional brews are good to avoid.

    PS: One other thing, most wine-barrel aged beers would not pass. The flavor profile is just all wrong or a wine drinker, despite the apparent proximity, but "Champagne beers" might be a good pick sometimes.
     
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  17. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2010 California

    Wine barrel aged beers?
     
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  18. RochefortChris

    RochefortChris Grand Pooh-Bah (3,271) Oct 2, 2012 North Carolina
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    Oh yea, Mikeller Bad Worse Red Wine Barrell Edition. I had it not too long ago and it was really good.
     
  19. velcrogrip

    velcrogrip Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2013 Florida

    These are popping up all over now. Mexican Cake in Red Wine barrels, CCB 110k Batch 6 in Port Wine barrels, to just name a couple. If a spirit comes in barrels, someone will age a beer in it, even tequila -meh.
     
  20. VictorWisc

    VictorWisc Maven (1,379) Jan 2, 2013 Massachusetts

    Yes, you had the beer. But do you drink wine? More to the point, can you differentiate between wines? (Hint: Yellowtail and Two-Buck Chuck don't count).
     
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