Beer Styles Have Finally Been Updated!

Blog Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Todd, Sep 1, 2018.

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  1. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    It's been ages since we've update our Beer Styles. In fact, I think that the last new style we added was American Black Ale and that was probably upwards of a decade ago. But with a ton of help from @Keene and @Rebecca, I'm stoked to announce that not only have we added some new styles, but we've recategorized, renamed, and refreshed all styles.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/styles/

    What's Changed?
    • I had to create a new style editing tool that would allow us to easily add and edit beer styles. And now that we have it our styles should never get stagnant again.
    • Where appropriate, styles now have an origin prefix. In most cases it's a country, but region or city are also used. Assume "-style" applies to all listings outside of the origin prefix.
    • 2018 CraftBeer.com Beer Styles Guide were used to:
      • Build out style categories that are a bit more descriptive and consumer friendly.
      • Apply styles and descriptions that were missing.
      • Update ABV ranges.
      • Add IBU ranges.
    • Recommended glassware now focuses on a single glassware type.
    • Food and beer pairings, cellaring temps, and serving temps have been retired for now.
    • Your rating (if any) will now be displayed in style lists, however, you can't sort by the "Yours" column just yet.
    New Styles:
    We plan on periodically revisiting styles, tweaking things as needed, and have already identified a few more styles that'll be added soon.

    Beer Stats

    I've forced our daily beer stats script to run on the existing changes. This mostly impacts the Top Beer lists for beer styles, which will see a lot of activity until moving beers around has settled and the new IPA styles will no doubt be fun to watch.

    We Need Your Help! (Moving Beers)

    Speaking of moving beers around, I've been able to handle thousands beers with a script and logged the changes for reference. I'll probably hit the script a few more items, but we're going to need your help to suggest updates.

    If you see a beer that needs its style updated, simply go to the beer's page, click "Beer Tools," and then "Suggest Edit." And brewers who've claimed their page can self-edit their beers under the same tools.

    That's in in a nutshell. I've got some cleaning up to do over the weekend, but please let me know if you run into any major issues.

    In the meantime, enjoy the updates, please suggest edits as needed, and feel free to drop us any feedback that you might have.

    Cheers!
     
  2. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    It's great to have an update like this, I have a few thoughts on the matter:

    How about Kettle Sour and India Pale Lager styles? Especially Kettle Sour is something that's really needed in my opinion. It's a pretty popular and unique style that really doesn't have a lot in common with the traditional sour styles. Unless I'm missing something, I really don't have a choice but to enter a Kettle Sour as an American Wild Ale currently and that is just very very wrong.

    India Pale Lagers are somewhat less common/popular, but I've come across a few and almost all of those explicitedly labeled themselves as India Pale Lagers. They are basically very hoppy lagers that almost have more in common with an IPA, but are bottom-fermented. These don't really fit well into any current style category either.

    Do we really need the distinction between American Wild Ale and American Brett?

    Do we really need three new Porter categories?

    Berliner Weiße should definitely be listed under Wild / Sour Beers, not Wheat beers.

    I don't think the prefix "Leipzig" is needed for Gose. If anything, it should be "German" instead. "German Kölsch" is not listed as "Cologne Kölsch" either, is it? Neither is "German Altbier" as "Düsseldorf Altbier".
     
  3. THANAT0PSIS

    THANAT0PSIS Pooh-Bah (2,275) Aug 3, 2010 Wisconsin
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    Awesome!

    My one question would be will you be adding New England Imperial IPA and New England Pale Ale? They definitely exist as unique products and are well outside the ABV range you have listed for New England IPA. Just curious.

    I really like the "origin" tags.
     
  4. generallee

    generallee Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2008 Virginia

    Wow, I can't even imagine how much work you and your team have put into all the new features on the site. Looks like there are still a few tweaks to made but I am impressed. Thank you!
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Was there ever a thought to create a Pale Oktoberfest beers style for beers like Weihenstephaner Festbier? These beers are pale in color and it appears they are presently under the Dark Lager category - this doesn't make sense.

    Cheers!
     
  6. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    IMHO, yes. Not all Brett beers are wild, and not all wild beers are Bretty.
     
  7. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    So, now that we have these new styles, how do handle existing beers that were entered under the old guidelines? For example, now that Murkbro beers are a unique style, is there a process in place for moving all Hazebombs that were originally listed as "regular" IPAs over to the new style? Do we just go through our individual lists and send in updates, like we would if we saw a beer misclassified?
     
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  8. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    You need to re-read the We Need Your Help section of Todd's post. He covers it there.
     
  9. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    I was at 102 of 104 styles, so I was a bit apprehensive to see where I landed after the change. Right now, I'm at 102 of 111. Still, after a few beers are changed to the new styles, I will have had several more of the new ones, though could lose another. In the end I expect all of the new ones will be easier to accomplish than the Sahti and Happoshu I am still lacking.

    While I still maintain that there are too damn many styles, it is unrealistic of me to expect any will ever go away. About as likely as the national debt being paid off.

    I gotta say, I do like the idea of the new categories - makes much more sense than by country as the old way leaned. Still - why not combine porter and stout since they are so closely related?
     
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  10. DISKORD

    DISKORD Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2017 South Carolina

    No clue what American Brett is. Does it mean any beer (style) made with Brett?
     
  11. superspak

    superspak Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,927) May 5, 2010 North Carolina
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    Glad to see that this is implemented finally, will take a LOT of work to edit styles into their respective category. I am going to say it right now, American Brett is going to be a pain in the ass to classify. I know of tons of breweries that use mostly Brett(Jolly Pumpkin comes to mind), but it is far from the only microbe in their beers. Also, I saw that Aunt Sally is in there as well, when it clearly states it is kettle soured right in the notes! There is no Brett in that beer at all!
     
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  12. ovaltine

    ovaltine Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,787) Apr 6, 2010 Indiana
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    I'm surprised to find that, per the "Styles" feature when we click on our "Beers," I've never had a "Black & Tan," yet I've certainly had Yuengling Black & Tan (a few times), and rated it here.

    Yet it's an American Porter.

    I'm flummoxed.

    Is there a tribunal I can appeal this to? I've always wanted to appeal something to a tribunal.
     
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  13. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    This isn't a new style. It's been on the site for almost two decades, but we're working on removing it. One of many updates to follow.
     
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  14. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    You can use the "Beer Tools" located at the top of the beer page to suggest edits.
     
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  15. ovaltine

    ovaltine Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,787) Apr 6, 2010 Indiana
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    I see the tribunal is moving with considerable alacrity.
     
  16. superspak

    superspak Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,927) May 5, 2010 North Carolina
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    Thanks. I know, and I do often. I was just wondering how it got there in the first place is all. :confused:
     
  17. Zorro

    Zorro Grand Pooh-Bah (3,258) Dec 25, 2003 California
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    Suggests a style called "Asian Lager" be created.

    Beers like San Miguel and Tsingtao are certainly different from what is considered a Lager in the Western world.
     
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  18. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    No doubt a byproduct of running a bulk script using keywords.
     
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  19. johnInLA

    johnInLA Pooh-Bah (2,350) Jun 12, 2005 California
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    While just my opinion: I do agree that the IPL has distinguished itself as a unique style. It has the dryness and crispness of a lager, with the bitterness and hoppiness of an Amercian IPA. And I often see brewers call their beer out as an "IPL"

    In my personal style listings ( which roughly mriror BA's ) I rate it as a distinct style
     
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  20. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Indeed. I've been chipping away at the style here and there today. It's now gone.
     
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