Beer Tax and Consumption Maps

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  1. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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  2. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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  3. Mavajo

    Mavajo Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2007 Georgia

    This data makes no sense to me. GA has the 3rd highest tax rate on beer? Weird, because Georgia has some of the lowest craft beer prices in the country in my experience.
     
  4. deadbody

    deadbody Initiate (0) May 10, 2010 Minnesota
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    This map is super wrong. Based on MN excise tax it shows at $.48/gal, MN is less than $.15/gal for anything stronger than 3.2

    Map is bad.
     
  5. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    From a UK standpoint you are hardly taxed at all ! Tax over here is having a serious effect on sales-it's gone up by 52% since 2004 but the tax take has hardly changed as sales have fallen by 20%.We are threatened with a further rise of 15 cents a pint in the next Budget.
     
  6. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    KY is higher than that. Between the excise tax, the distributor tax and the sales tax, it is way higher than the map suggests. Until recently, booze wasnt sales taxed in KY because of the other two. But, when they were going to raise the distributor tax, the outcry led to them applying the sales tax instead. Which was sneaky, because most people didnt notice. Price on the shelf didnt change and most people are used to paying sales tax anyway.

    Edit: From a quick calculation, I would think about 15-16 cents for a can of Bud, vs the 8 cents in the map.

    Edit2Edit: If I ignore the sales tax and lower my price of Bud a bit, I could get it down to 8 cents. Im guessing that is what they didnt include for KY.
     
  7. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    i do not think townhall.com is very concerned with facts.
    also, correlation does not imply causation. the entire premise is a fallacy, at least not without some better follow through.
    kind of disturbing.
     
  8. emannths

    emannths Initiate (0) Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    Without showing the correlation mathematically, it's hard to even say if there's a correlation worth writing about. It's obvious that higher taxes will result in higher prices and thus lower consumption ceteris paribus, but that condition is hard to test. State-specific distro rules, transport costs, land and wage costs, and consumer preference all vary by region and state.

    Partly what this shows is that state excise taxes on beer are small, and the differences in state taxes are often dwarfed by the noise in store-to-store pricing differences, deposit rules, etc.
     
  9. bishopdc0

    bishopdc0 Savant (1,161) Jan 23, 2010 Maine

    As an economic and policy professional this makes my head hurt. First statistically I can already determine without calculating that there us no significant correlation between tax rate and consumption rates. Also as previously mentioned correlation is not causation.
     
  10. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    And even if there was causation, in which direction?

    Does lower taxes cause more drinking, or does a higher drinking population resist tax increases? When you consider the whole "bootlegger and baptist" cooperation, it could go either way.
     
  11. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    I don't know. but I know this, prices goes up I drink less. That you can take to the bank....:wink:
     
  12. ghostly

    ghostly Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2011 New York

    @marquis,
    I was just reading that on Pete Brown's blog, and about how it's specifically hurting the growth of microbreweries and the profit margin of midsized breweries like Fuller's. Sounds brutal.
     
  13. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Most surprising to me, if the data are right, is that Alaska has the highest tax on beer in the country.

    "To finance state government operations, Alaska depends primarily on petroleum revenues and federal subsidies. This allows it to have the lowest individual tax burden in the United States,[72] and be one of only five states with no state sales tax, one of seven states that do not levy an individual income tax, and one of two states that has neither." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska#Taxes

    What am I missing?
     
  14. emannths

    emannths Initiate (0) Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    Alaska has one of, if not the highest rate of alcohol abuse in the US. I suspect the high tax rate may be more to reduce consumption than to raise revenue.
     
  15. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2010 California

    Do they have FUI in Alaska? Flying under the influence.
     
  16. sfoley333

    sfoley333 Pundit (799) Oct 26, 2006 Brazil

  17. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    "I suspect the high tax rate may be more to reduce consumption than to raise revenue."

    It's always makes my brain hurt whenever I hear local legislators talking about the reasons for why we need to raise the current tax on alcohol. We just had ours here in Maryland raised significantly, with the following reasons given:

    1) The extra revenue is necessary to fund (or further fund) a number of worthy causes, which typically include increasing health care expenses, alcohol awareness advertising, etc.

    2) After pointing out the fantastic benefit society will derive from the additional revenuse brought in by the tax increase, legislators then point out that the increase in price will make it less attractive to purchase alcohol, that alcohol sales will then plumet (of course that never happens, but that's what they always say), and consequently there will be less incidences of alcohol abuse (with the related social problems that go with it).

    Sooooo.... the tax increase will bring in extra revenue that will help a number of worthy causes, except the tax increase will also result in reduced alcohol sales, which will also benefit society, except that the reduction in sales will lead to a reduction in tax revenue, which will then lead to a decrease in funding of worthy causes..... AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
     
  18. GatorBeerNerd

    GatorBeerNerd Savant (1,019) Sep 15, 2007 Georgia

    This was the exact same thing I thought when I saw this. I could see our draft beer taxes being higher than other states because the prices at bars suck here. The prices at bottle shops are always cheaper than the surrounding states.
     
  19. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    Than the surrounding states and the rest of the country. Its obvious though the distributors are just unorthodox in being nice and eating the cost:wink:.

    In all seriousness though, I really don't get how our taxes are one of the highest when our prices are one of the lowest. It's counterintuitive unless we have some major price changes being done by the retailers everywhere else. That would mean they have way bigger profit margins than the ones here but I'm sure that's not true.
     
  20. dgilks

    dgilks Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2008 Australia

    To be honest, your alcohol tax rates are so low as to be non-existent. In Australia, we have a tax on beer at about $45 per litre of pure ethanol which equates to about $9 per gallon of 5.5% beer. Coincidently, we also have beer consumption 25% higher than that in the US.
     
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