Beer vs. Beer Threads: Allow or Nuke?

Blog Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Todd, Mar 4, 2012.

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Should we allow beer vs. beer threads?

Poll closed Mar 18, 2012.
  1. Yes. They're fun and/or informative.

    22.2%
  2. No. They offer no value.

    36.4%
  3. I don't care.

    41.3%
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  1. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
    STAFF Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah

    Some members seem to enjoy creating beer a vs. beer b style threads. Sometimes they're interesting, many times it's more like beer a vs. beer z (as the two beers being compared are nothing alike) and then there's those who put little effort it their posts and the replies follow suit.

    Our question to all of you is: should we allow or nuke them? Keep in mind that as time goes on, and we welcome more members, we'll see more and more of them.

    Please vote and/or post your thoughts.
     
  2. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah

    I voted No, they don't offer any value. And I am unanimous in this. I don't see the point of any vs...
     
  3. Smakawhat

    Smakawhat Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,191) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah

    Well I instinctively voted No, but I'd probably should have just took the neutral stance. The discussions on this are ad nauseum and get into typical young immature flaming trolling posts. People have different tastes, we're not all going to agree that's fine, and my issue is that it would be ok if it was civil, or offered good content. However, it degenerates into someone calling someone an a*****e far too often, and it's the same beers coming up for discussion over and over vs say... someone having a discussion over Kostritzer and some other Schwarzbier for example. However, that does have some schadenfreude-esque entertainment value, but it gets old FAST.

    I probably should have said I don't care, cause at this point I don't even read those posts (rarely). So if you don't like them, don't read them. I don't try to post too much here I'd rather be drinking beer, it's a lot more enjoyable. However, I am scrolling the forums often for information (releases, regional information which has allowed me to contact many people in my area who are enthusiastic about beer like me) and these posts just keep coming up over and over again and clutter the place. So it's a bit annoying on that front.
     
  4. LOCAL

    LOCAL Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2006 New Hampshire

    Sure, why not. I mean, if you're curious as to how beer A compares to beer B, what better way to find out other than drinking it.

    If you think a thread is gonna suck based on the vs. title, then don't click on it.
     
  5. InebriatedJoker

    InebriatedJoker Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2010 Ohio

    I think it depends on if the two beers are even in the same category ,

    Nugget Nectar and Double Trouble clearly are not .. and therefore isn't very helpful in terms of comparisons .
     
  6. Alilley

    Alilley Initiate (0) Dec 23, 2010 Georgia

    People can decide if they want to read them or not. If you like those threads, read them. If you don't, then read something else. More choices for people. Simple decision.
     
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  7. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
    Pooh-Bah

    i agree that it is generally more agreeable to simply ignore topics that are bothersome, poinltess or just boring. however that doesn't mean that our community should look the other way all the time.

    beer vs. beer threads don't have any purpose. they do not advocate beer. they do not answer a question. there is plenty of space dedicated to personal observation and opinion about individual beer. anybody can review a beer and anyone who is interested can read the reviews.

    "i like this beer more than that beer." ok. good for you. so, now what?
    thats my 2 cents.
     
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  8. biglobo8971

    biglobo8971 Initiate (0) May 6, 2010 Minnesota

    I dont see what value they hold
     
  9. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
    Pooh-Bah

    They wouldn't bother me if they weren't the same ones over and over and over and over. Yes, we know that Pliny and Hopslam/HT/Sculpin/whatever are good DIPAs, shockingly this question has been asked before.
     
  10. Retsinis

    Retsinis Pooh-Bah (1,622) Sep 25, 2009 Arizona
    Pooh-Bah

    I peruse them on occasion, they don't bother me. A annecdotal observation to me has been that many new BA's tend to post them, and in some cases they are merely polling in a way for either affirimation of their opinion or to be swayed and why. Sometimes a newer BA's view can be broadened by those threads too.

    As for a discussion degrading into monkey poo tossing, that happens all over anyway, and the community can & should report when it does. Over moderation of topics to me is unessaccary imho.
     
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  11. BB1313

    BB1313 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,290) Jul 16, 2009 Ohio
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I personally don't see a problem with it at all, although the same matchups get pretty old. But I don't see any harm and I don't know why people get so up in arms about it. If you're someone who's been drinking craft beer forever, then I can understand it being pointless.. but there's always someone new to craft beer who might actually get something out of a thread like that (I know, they can just check reviews). As a society, we like to debate just about anything..
     
  12. daysinthewake

    daysinthewake Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2010 California

    Allow, but I hate them.
     
  13. RBCORCORAN

    RBCORCORAN Initiate (0) May 18, 2009 Massachusetts

    I voted to nuke em , would also love to see all desert beer / one beer for the rest of your life threads nuked.
     
  14. Spider889

    Spider889 Pooh-Bah (1,933) Mar 24, 2010 Ohio
    Pooh-Bah

    I voted no because they rarely if ever offer any real value to the community. And for newer members actually looking for insight they can easily rephrase their question so it is not a beer vs. beer question:
    "What are some good IPA's similar to PtE?"

    "In your opinion, why is Two Hearted considered one of the top examples of the style?"

    "Being new to craft beer I am not able to easily articulate my thoughts on beer, but the other day I tried a Founders Double Trouble and disliked it, yet it seems to have very positive reviews. Can you help me understand what I didn't care for in this beer, and point out others similar to it that I might avoid later on, or a good counter example that I can try on the other end of the spectrum?"

    Often, for me a good thread is just like a good review: spend the time to submit a well-thought out question or premise, don't write it while flamingly drunk, and don't offer the community something that is utterly superfluous. (Don't forget to spell check either.)

    Follow these simple rules to posting and I could care less how many times I see the same question. But bust out into the community in a manner that makes you look like a dumb ass and I am going to be happy to offer your topic up for deletion or chime in with snide joking or the obvious answer that no one wants to see offered (ie - being sent to a beer's reviews in a thread where someone asks for opinions on a specific beer).
     
  15. checktherhyme

    checktherhyme Savant (1,036) Apr 8, 2008 Washington

    I really enjoy them when the beers are actually similar. Unfortunately, too many threads get started with beer that doesnt really relate (Pliny vs. Westy). That is such a waste of space and doesnt provide any real information. Freshness also plays a giant factor in IPA vs. IPA threads. I dont really think I can give an honest opinion in a Hopslam vs. Pliny thread when I have had tons of fresh Pliny and only 3 Hopslams that were 2 months old.
     
  16. ShanePB

    ShanePB Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Why not? Allow.
     
  17. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    I would like to keep them however the originator of the thread must send a trophy to the winning brewery.

    I see no benefit to keep the "which beer is better" thread but if it is a thread is focus on a legitimate critique and comparison I think it has value. At the end of the day I don't care one way or another.
     
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  18. TheDayIsMine

    TheDayIsMine Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2012 New York

    Nuke the hell out of it.
     
  19. aasher

    aasher Grand Pooh-Bah (4,557) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana
    Pooh-Bah

    They don't hold any true value but let's face it, new members don't know what's been posted in the past and are destined to post threads thatve been posted ad nauseum.
     
  20. ChadQuest

    ChadQuest Initiate (0) Mar 4, 2009 Illinois

    I think they should be allowed, but that they are currently really silly.

    I think they could be cool, if the OP owned both beers and did a side x side(w/ pics preferably), and reported the differences and similarities, and what his preference was.
    If the threads were started like that, it would be educational, and interesting to read. Kind of like a side X side mini review. I would read that.

    Holla.
     
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